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Hello Willem,
I've considered both, but I am quite unsure about them too, as there are differences between these types too. But as I said, I'm quite inexperienced with Borneo swords, so it's not for nothing that I asked for help! ![]() What would you say? Regards, Detlef |
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What sets these three (jimpul, gayang, tilang kamerau) apart? Is it to do with the tip shape? Curvature? Decorative elements?
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Regards, Detlef |
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Two possible "gayang" examples I found here in old threads. Both are from Charles Saunders.
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And here two possible examples of "tilang kemarau".
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Detlef,
I think there are many similar swords shown here, and in other threads of the forum, with variously attributed names. Perhaps the different names reflect the usage of different tribal sub-groups for essentially the same sword, but with minor differences in embellishments or style of blade. To me, they come from a common family and were likely used in a similar fashion. Jimpul seems to be the most common term used to describe these swords, and I personally would settle for that designation, knowing that there may be alternative names based on subtle differences or geographic/ethnic preferences. For those of us outside the culture of origin, it may be extremely difficult to learn the subtle, and perhaps not very important, differences in terminology. |
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Thanks for the examples Detlef. I must say I agree with Ian in that I'm going to have a harder time than usual telling these apart.
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As Kai already wrote, it's interesting for me to find out more about the sword in question, which ethnic group it's come from, ect. For example, when we talk about swords from Mindanao, we also try to assign them to a specific ethnic group. I think in this case it's not much different. Regards, Detlef |
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