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Gustav · 29th November 2023, 03:35 PM

Just to illustrate how big the distance is of this figure from classical Balinese Singo.

Now I remember where I did see such big and erect ears on Balinese carvings - on monkey masks.

Jean · 29th November 2023, 04:34 PM

IMO the carved winged animal on the gandik does not depict a singa but Garuda, see what it is holding in its front legs (snake or turtle?) and compare with the attached image from the Tropenmuseum.
Regards

Gustav · 29th November 2023, 06:48 PM

A depiction of turtle as a base of another figure is not uncommon at all on Gandhik of Balinese Keris, but I have yet to see an authentic Garuda depiction on an old Balinese Keris.

A. G. Maisey · 29th November 2023, 07:07 PM

That's a nice pic Gustav.

So the figure on the keris is in your opinion a depiction of Garuda?

Is that correct?

Can you please tell us why you have formed this opinion?

Gustav · 29th November 2023, 07:09 PM

Alan, no, that was Jean's opinion.

A. G. Maisey · 29th November 2023, 07:41 PM

Sorry Gustav.

Please accept my apologies.

Jean, could I redirect my question to you?

That's a nice pic Jean.

So the figure on the keris is in your opinion a depiction of Garuda?

Is that correct?

Can you please tell us why you have formed this opinion?

Jean · 29th November 2023, 08:10 PM

Hello Alan,
This is my opinion only but this carving does not look like a standard singa for the following reasons:
. Head: fangs, bulging eyes, ears, hair
. Wings
. Sitting position, no penis, unclear tail, animal under its front legs.
I don't remember to have ever seen such a carved animal on a balinese blade but would be curious to see a similar one. However I admit that it has no clear beak so that it may not depict Garuda.
Regards

29th November 2023, 03:35 PM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,238	Just to illustrate how big the distance is of this figure from classical Balinese Singo. Now I remember where I did see such big and erect ears on Balinese carvings - on monkey masks. Attached Images Last edited by Gustav; 29th November 2023 at 03:50 PM.

29th November 2023, 04:34 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	IMO the carved winged animal on the gandik does not depict a singa but Garuda, see what it is holding in its front legs (snake or turtle?) and compare with the attached image from the Tropenmuseum. Regards Attached Images

29th November 2023, 06:48 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,238	A depiction of turtle as a base of another figure is not uncommon at all on Gandhik of Balinese Keris, but I have yet to see an authentic Garuda depiction on an old Balinese Keris.

29th November 2023, 07:07 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,857	That's a nice pic Gustav. So the figure on the keris is in your opinion a depiction of Garuda? Is that correct? Can you please tell us why you have formed this opinion?

29th November 2023, 07:09 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,238	Alan, no, that was Jean's opinion.

29th November 2023, 07:41 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,857	Sorry Gustav. Please accept my apologies. Jean, could I redirect my question to you? That's a nice pic Jean. So the figure on the keris is in your opinion a depiction of Garuda? Is that correct? Can you please tell us why you have formed this opinion?

29th November 2023, 08:10 PM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Alan, This is my opinion only but this carving does not look like a standard singa for the following reasons: . Head: fangs, bulging eyes, ears, hair . Wings . Sitting position, no penis, unclear tail, animal under its front legs. I don't remember to have ever seen such a carved animal on a balinese blade but would be curious to see a similar one. However I admit that it has no clear beak so that it may not depict Garuda. Regards