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Old 5th November 2023, 08:20 PM   #1
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After my knowledge a "pallasch" has a streight blade with just one edge and a strong back! The blade in question has two edges what in Germany is called a "Degen". So the sword in question cannot be a Pallasch. In Germany we call such items "Felddegen"
I took time to read up in „Fachwörter der Blankwaffenkunde“ from Gerhard Seifert (2007) to find the exact definition for Pallasch, Degen and Sabre.
The charakteristic of a Degen is the straight blade, which can be single or double edged.It is a kind of „ sword light “ .
In contrast a Sabre has a bent,single edged,to the tip often double edged blade.
A Pallasch has a straight, one or double edged blade in combination with a sabre hilt.The blade is broader than the blade of a Degen.
So in my opinion the shown weapon is rather a Pallasch .

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Old 5th November 2023, 09:38 PM   #2
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I took time to read up in „Fachwörter der Blankwaffenkunde“ from Gerhard Seifert (2007) to find the exact definition for Pallasch, Degen and Sabre.
The charakteristic of a Degen is the straight blade, which can be single or double edged.It is a kind of „ sword light “ .
In contrast a Sabre has a bent,single edged,to the tip often double edged blade.
A Pallasch has a straight, one or double edged blade in combination with a sabre hilt.The blade is broader than the blade of a Degen.
So in my opinion the shown weapon is rather a Pallasch .


VERY well done!!!
SO the pallasche is, like the degen, a sword with either single or double edge.....but the pallasche is the same, but with SABER hilt.

There are so many swords which have saber type hilts but use broadsword (double edged) blades and seem contrary.........the Moroccan nimcha for example, which often, if not typically, has a double edged blade...and others.
The Spanish colonial sabers with three bar cavalry hilts (c. 1820s+) use the old broadsword blades from the bilbos.

Naturally the use of these terms often becomes broadly collective as various writers simply grab for a term without truly understanding these peculiarities.

For the brave souls who wish to look into edged weapon terms for elements and features and the etymology and usage........look into the terms hilt; quillon; pas d'ane; fuller; guard, et al...........
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