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After my knowledge a "pallasch" has a streight blade with just one edge and a strong back! The blade in question has two edges what in Germany is called a "Degen". So the sword in question cannot be a Pallasch. In Germany we call such items "Felddegen"
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In looking more into the potentially viable 'kaskara' blade observation, I would note that these blades were apparently modeled after European import blades circulating through North African trade routes through the 19th century and possibly earlier. The type of blade with triple fullers (one central long, and often prolonged to the point). It seems that these blades were often produced by Hausa smiths in regions in eastern Sahara to Sudan, and they typically applied twin crescent moons (dukari) at the terminus of the outside fullers. In most notes, these fullers are well drawn, but obviously quality would vary situationally. There are numerous forms in the fullering/grooving of blades on the kaskaras, and this triple type is but one. While it is known that similar triple fullers are obviously known with earlier European swords, which were of course broadswords, the question is, do they belong in this type hilt? Naturally, all manner of modification might be expected due to preferences during working life of sword, but with these North European basket hilts, frankly I expect heavy, curved blade (as with dusagge/Sinclair). With the kaskara blade image attachments, it seems most unusual to see these moons on Scottish blades, but lends to the idea that these kinds of moons may have actually been applied in Solingen (the blade with twin flutes is NOT something seen on Sudanese blades) though it is well known that application was also done in Sudan (and in Hausa context). Note also the more elaborate decoration added to many of these Sudanese blades. This information does not offer solution to the blade in question in OP, but just context for consideration re: the blade shown. |
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The charakteristic of a Degen is the straight blade, which can be single or double edged.It is a kind of „ sword light “ . In contrast a Sabre has a bent,single edged,to the tip often double edged blade. A Pallasch has a straight, one or double edged blade in combination with a sabre hilt.The blade is broader than the blade of a Degen. So in my opinion the shown weapon is rather a Pallasch . Last edited by Akanthus; 5th November 2023 at 08:49 PM. |
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VERY well done!!! ![]() SO the pallasche is, like the degen, a sword with either single or double edge.....but the pallasche is the same, but with SABER hilt. There are so many swords which have saber type hilts but use broadsword (double edged) blades and seem contrary.........the Moroccan nimcha for example, which often, if not typically, has a double edged blade...and others. The Spanish colonial sabers with three bar cavalry hilts (c. 1820s+) use the old broadsword blades from the bilbos. Naturally the use of these terms often becomes broadly collective as various writers simply grab for a term without truly understanding these peculiarities. For the brave souls who wish to look into edged weapon terms for elements and features and the etymology and usage........look into the terms hilt; quillon; pas d'ane; fuller; guard, et al........... |
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