A spanish-mexican type large bowie knife ?

werecow · 24th October 2023, 04:22 PM

I don't know how to date these as I focus mainly on swords, but staying in the Americas for a moment, could it have been influenced by the American adoption of the klewang during WWII perhaps?

milandro · 24th October 2023, 04:49 PM

if these knives are Mexican they are most likely to be influenced by the Bowie itself .

After all James Bowie died at Alamo!

gp · 24th October 2023, 08:19 PM

forget Bowie...talking Mexico... Zapata is the man
( and as we all are speculating......why not perhaps could it not be influenced by Austrian / Habsburgian cold arms...thinking of Maximilian I of Mexico )

Marius66 · 25th October 2023, 07:01 PM

Hello everybody,
The Indonesian with Dutch influence clue seems the right one ,
Here are the other pictures I received,
I can read TIJBAT,
TIJ for Tijkeroe as proposed by Milandro ?

Marius66 · 25th October 2023, 08:32 PM

And the bird head pommel clearly looks like the Batavian model linked , thank you !
A garuda head ?!!

Marius66 · 26th October 2023, 04:55 AM

For comparison,
I found this ''similar'' one , the central piece , in another old post about klewangs/kalewangs and the regulation models

francantolin · 26th October 2023, 08:07 AM

Hello,
TJIBAT simply for TJIBATOE... 😁

milandro · 26th October 2023, 08:16 AM

thanks to the better pictures and the detective work on Tjbatoe look very conclusive to me.

Marius66 · 26th October 2023, 09:25 AM

Thank you ! Really precise !!

What can we say about the age ??

24th October 2023, 08:19 PM	#3
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 702	forget Bowie...talking Mexico... Zapata is the man ( and as we all are speculating......why not perhaps could it not be influenced by Austrian / Habsburgian cold arms...thinking of Maximilian I of Mexico ) Attached Images Last edited by gp; 24th October 2023 at 09:22 PM.

25th October 2023, 07:01 PM	#4
Marius66 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 93	Hello everybody, The Indonesian with Dutch influence clue seems the right one , Here are the other pictures I received, I can read TIJBAT, TIJ for Tijkeroe as proposed by Milandro ? Attached Images

26th October 2023, 04:55 AM	#6
Marius66 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 93	For comparison, I found this ''similar'' one , the central piece , in another old post about klewangs/kalewangs and the regulation models Attached Images

26th October 2023, 08:07 AM	#7
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 853	Hello, TJIBAT simply for TJIBATOE... 😁 Attached Images

24th October 2023, 04:22 PM	#1
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 478	I don't know how to date these as I focus mainly on swords, but staying in the Americas for a moment, could it have been influenced by the American adoption of the klewang during WWII perhaps?

24th October 2023, 04:49 PM	#2
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 462	if these knives are Mexican they are most likely to be influenced by the Bowie itself . After all James Bowie died at Alamo!

25th October 2023, 08:32 PM	#5
Marius66 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 93	And the bird head pommel clearly looks like the Batavian model linked , thank you ! A garuda head ?!!

26th October 2023, 08:16 AM	#8
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 462	thanks to the better pictures and the detective work on Tjbatoe look very conclusive to me.

26th October 2023, 09:25 AM	#9
Marius66 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 93	Thank you ! Really precise !! What can we say about the age ??