Keris Identification please

[jagabuwana]

Hello Alan, is something like this typically done in order to make the keris more appealing for resale?

[ASPaulding]

Originally Posted by jagabuwana

Hello Alan, is something like this typically done in order to make the keris more appealing for resale?

I still havn't came across another example that has something like this done to the blade. I have seen many examples of art done on fabric by the batik process. I assume it is to raise the value. I wonder if it really stands out if warangan is applied? Hopefully somebody will chime in.

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes Jaga, a lot, but not all of these "enhancements" to older keris are simply to make an old, unattractive, difficult to sell blade more marketable.

But this "batik" thing they used to do although it might have had a plus effect 80 or 100 years ago, has a minus effect now. I've seen a very, very few that have been well done and really have looked pretty good, but most have been outright ugly.

I'd put money on it, that if this blade had been left alone and not fiddled with, its market value now would be 20 times what it is in its present condition.

It will still be 100% visible after a blade stain, but honestly, I would not waste time or money on this blade.

[ASPaulding]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

an old, unattractive, difficult to sell blade more marketable.

It will still be 100% visible after a blade stain, but honestly, I would not waste time or money on this blade.

It is a shame somebody would ruin a perfectly good antique blade. I understand it is not worth the attempt to stain. I will chalk this up to a learning experience. I will at least still enjoy the history it had before it became worthless...

[A. G. Maisey]

The wrongko looks OK, and the hilt is usable, keep your eyes open for an orphan blade and you might be able to do a rebuild.

[Jean]

This blade probably uses the same process but it was well made.
Regards

[milandro]

I have seen this kind of kris before for sale in the NL, I am sure that I saw the same sitting figure although the contrast was higher and needn't having light coming from the side to enhance the figure's design.

It seems indeed acid etched on the blade with a process which may have used wax or something similar.

I personally don't care much for this kind of kris.

But there is a lid for every pot.

There is certainly someone out there who would like it and I personally wouldn't bother to separate the blade from the rest of the elements which were already put together more or less randomly in the first place.

The reason why people collect krises vary from the museum-quality-taxonomic-oriented to the mystical and there is really no account for personal taste, whatever tickles one's fancy, goes.

[jagabuwana]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes Jaga, a lot, but not all of these "enhancements" to older keris are simply to make an old, unattractive, difficult to sell blade more marketable.

But this "batik" thing they used to do although it might have had a plus effect 80 or 100 years ago, has a minus effect now. I've seen a very, very few that have been well done and really have looked pretty good, but most have been outright ugly.

I'd put money on it, that if this blade had been left alone and not fiddled with, its market value now would be 20 times what it is in its present condition.

It will still be 100% visible after a blade stain, but honestly, I would not waste time or money on this blade.

Thank you Alan.

I agree that it's market value now would be decent had it not been fiddled. There seems to be a healthy appetite to pay good money for blades with 'older' classifications like Paja and its variants.

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes, you're right Jaga, & often that enthusiasm for attributed age is misdirected. Leaving to one side the archaic kerises, like KB's, the value of other keris depends on much more than just age, quality & condition are extremely important.

[jagabuwana]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes, you're right Jaga, & often that enthusiasm for attributed age is misdirected. Leaving to one side the archaic kerises, like KB's, the value of other keris depends on much more than just age, quality & condition are extremely important.

Yes I understand, Alan. My observation is that the enthusiasm seems to be because old is associated with being more authentic than more recent productions, or having more power. At least that's how I used to think when I was very new to all of this.

Sadly I think this works all too well for dealers without scruples.

[milandro]

we spoke about this often

there are many traders whom deal with artificially aged or otherwise tampered with krises and , of course, there are many buyers prepared to pay for stuff which is looking corroded or shows " age" .

I've seen krises advertised as being from the 12th century and of course the same (or other) krises are also sold to be laden with immense powers (as long as this add to the price)

Much depends on what one attributes to the kris and the reason why one " collects" (for lack of a better word).