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Ali dies before this photo was taken. https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpress...&brand=ucpress https://maguindanaopride.wordpress.com/tag/datu/ Certainly looks like Datu Piang to me. One of his known personal Kris is also being carried in the image. The sheer depth and breadth of trade Datu Piang conducted throughout the the entire Sulu via trade merchants was vast... recent reading about the power and influence, tied with maritime entities and loyalties he had, could very well explain why these hulu are found as far and wide as they are. Last edited by Gavin Nugent; 18th September 2023 at 01:53 PM. |
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18th September 2023, 07:22 PM | #2 |
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I have to agree with Gavin on this one Ian. That does not look like Datu Ali (see pic below) in the center and since he had been dead for 9 years when that photo was apparently taken (1914) it couldn't be him.
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25th September 2023, 02:07 AM | #4 | |
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I've some speculation about the young figures front and centre. Datu Piang had many children to many wives. Data I suspect can be inaccurate, but within reason. I read that he had 19 wives & 34 children, although only a few reached any prominence. Those young men front and centre could be family, as was the norm within Datu circles to appoint family, and provide with rank and title. Given that the youth to the left, within the photo above, carries a kris with same hulu design as the Kris being carried by the sword bearer, I suspect he is very close to Datu Piang. When I look at one of the better known image of Datu Piang from 1899, and the young boys brought forth for the photo, clothed as Datu Piang is, and a third child behind Datu Piang, it could be these two boys later in life who are pictured in the group. The gent to the far right could be Datu Piang's Pandita??? |
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25th September 2023, 06:33 AM | #5 |
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Thanks Gavin. The handsome guy next to Piang, the officer (?) with the moustache, looks like J.J. Pershing who took up his post in Mindanao in the second half of 1899.
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25th September 2023, 03:04 PM | #6 |
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The other interesting thing is Piang was well known for gifting all sorts of things, including weapons, from Lantaka to knives depending on the rank or importance of the US Officer. Could the double lantaka under Piang's foot is one such gift.
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26th September 2023, 07:18 AM | #7 |
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Could be. The two lantaka are a matched pair with the external spiral grooves going in opposite directions. They look old but perhaps still serviceable. They would have made a handsome gift for an American officer. Piang was an astute reader of people, but I doubt he would have foreseen that Pershing would become a four star General and hold the position of General of the Army!
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I suspect Taft probably took some fine things home with him after his introduction with Piang. Junior officers were not left out either, they received Chickens most commonly. |
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29th September 2023, 01:57 AM | #9 | |
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The barrels are joined by an integral central rib running front to back, and are retained in a single pivot and articulation. I only see a single double barreled Lantaka. |
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