my last keris

[Marcokeris]

please, David can you show me how the keris is inserted in the gajaman?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

please, David can you show me how the keris is inserted in the gajaman?

Hello Marco,

Maybe the given pictures of three from my keris are helpful!
I feel the sarung for your keris is wrong, sorry.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Marco, in respect of your post #55.

Please see my post #42.

If we accept that Javanese belief & tradition is correct, rather than the ideas of some craftsman, or salesman then this keris under discussion has been incorrectly mounted to the wrongko.

In my post I have written "--- my understanding ---" that understanding was gained from several keris literate people in Solo whom I knew during the 1980's, all have now left us, and all these people were members of the hierarchy of the Karaton Surakarta Hardiningrat, equally, all these people were devout followers of Javanese tradition.

This keris is most certainly unusual, it is a nice addition to a collection if for no other reason than that it demonstrates the erosion of cultural understanding over time, but it is incorrectly mounted.

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Marco,

Maybe the given pictures of three from my keris are helpful!
I feel the sarung for your keris is wrong, sorry.

Regards,
Detlef

Hello Detlef
my keris is like this

[David]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Hello Detlef
my keris is like this

Sorry Marco, but i must point out that your keris is not like this. The keris in the image above is indeed properly oriented in the sheath. It is only the hilt that is oriented in reverse.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

Sorry Marco, but i must point out that your keris is not like this. The keris in the image above is indeed properly oriented in the sheath. It is only the hilt that is oriented in reverse.

Agree with David, sorry Marco.

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Agree with David, sorry Marco.

there is only one small detail: the scabbard in the photo does not have a pendok and has the same painting on both sides. so by turning the scabbard 180 degrees when I extract the kris I have the handle in the right position to be held correctly in the hand. With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

[David]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

there is only one small detail: the scabbard in the photo does not have a pendok and has the same painting on both sides. so by turning the scabbard 180 degrees when I extract the kris I have the handle in the right position to be held correctly in the hand. With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. The hilt on the keris in the photo simply needs to be rotated 180 degrees. Problem solved.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

there is only one small detail: the scabbard in the photo does not have a pendok and has the same painting on both sides. so by turning the scabbard 180 degrees when I extract the kris I have the handle in the right position to be held correctly in the hand. With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

Dear Marco,
You can turn the keris with the painted scabbard completely when inside the scabbard or just the handle as you like and as many times as you like, it doesn't change the fact that the front of the blade points to the front of the scabbard. In the shown picture the handle simple shows to the wrong side.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

With a pendok scabbard this rotation to properly extract the kris would be an eyesore.

Disagree, the shown keris with the handle showing in the wrong direction is an eyesore!

Isn't it??