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I guess I have two questions:
Why did you purchase it? Why is it reversed in the wrongko? ![]() I think we'd all like to know your reasoning. |
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Alan, Sajen and Kai;
I'm really not observant! my bad. Many thanks for pointing that out! That is truly a first. "Remarkable" ! Rightly so Alan.I've never seen the blade in reverse position in the sheath like this also. Can anyone give any reason why ? (Although I must say I've seen a LOT of hilts positioned in reverse position even by the so called 'experts'....) |
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Since Marco is not a novice at this, I am supposing that there is more that meets the eye here and that he is just chuckling
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dapur Maeso Slurung / Nabrang
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Hi Marco,
Which reference are you using for the dhapur name? According to Empu Djeno Harumbrodjo (from your old post), dhapur Mahisa/Kebo Selurung is as the following: |
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It looks similar to Mahesa Kathong with luk, but no kembang kacang. An interesting blade.
That said i can see absolutely no logic in the reversed hilt and sheath positioning. |
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This dhapur naming is perhaps a good example of the non-standardisation of keris terminology.
Marco's seller has given it as "Maeso Slurung / Nabrang " , "maeso" = "mahesa" = "kebo", kebo keris have a long gandhik, "slurung" is maybe from "selur" = "in a row", so maybe the name given indicates a "kebo keris with gandhiks in a row". Maybe. However, if we use the Surakarta pakem as our reference, what we are looking at is dhapur Dhuwung Luk Lima. Then we have dhapur "Mahesa Nabrang", this form has 15 luk. Names used for dhapurs can & do vary from place to place, and within those places from group to group. The Javanese language itself is not a standardised language --- according to linguists --- Javanese people famously have only one name, they do not use a family name, but that one name can change according to situation & context. I do not believe it is possible to know all the name variations for pamors & dhapurs. |
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From "Ilmu Keris" by S Lumintu 1994 |
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Last Thursday (01/06/2023) I went to the Radyapustaka Museum in Solo. In a museum showcase, I saw a keris quite similar to Marco's keris – not precisely similar, but it had three curves or luks. It is a Cengkrong Jangkung, if Marco's keris luk five, it is a Cengkrong Pandawa.
The Cengkrong Jangkung keris is on the far right in the showcase in front of me. Last edited by ganjawulung; 2nd June 2023 at 04:15 AM. |
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The cengkrong dhapur on the Javanese keris, is the only dhapur that is a panjingan (omah-omahan, keris hole) in its special position. Unlike the other dhapur kerises. Keris hole in its sheath, is reversed. The front becomes the back, the back becomes the front of the sheath.
As photographed (01/06/2023)in this keris belonging to the Radyapustaka Museum in Solo, Central Java, Indonesia... |
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