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Jim McDougall · 2nd February 2023, 08:54 PM

Very well said I.P.!!!
In the study of ethnographic arms, there are constant religious, superstitious, talismanic imbuements of virtually all sorts, though scholarly studies typically are inclined to avoid any in depth study of these. Presumably anything which cannot be proven empirically is glossed over except with occasional side notes.
However, in the designs and symbolism inherent in most of these forms, these are virtually predominant, despite metaphysical origins.

In European arms the presence of similar associations with magic, occult and superstitious elements in decoration, inscriptions and markings equally are often present.

Ironically, much of the same arcane symbology is of course present on these kinds of weapons in the private sector and often in ritual and ceremonial practice. Yet this is often met with similar reticence to that of serious study of these kinds of character in the arms used in warfare or self defense.

I have always thought, we do not have to believe in what these symbols and esoteric elements represent....but to understand and perhaps identify a weapon being examined.....we must become aware of what the people using them believed.

As I.P. has well noted, often examples being copied or produced later may well incorporate the significant symbols without awareness of meaning, but simply carrying forth the completeness of the item copied.

I always think of the automotive analogy........in the 1950s, the Buick had distinctive discs on the side of the hood. Most people had no idea what these represented, however these were vestigial representations of the exhaust ports from cars of the 1930s, as well as aviation, those on fighter planes.

JoeCanada42 · 2nd February 2023, 10:36 PM

well said both of you and thanks
here is an example that I feel displays "vestigial decorations"
with similarity

JoeCanada42 · 23rd February 2023, 01:41 AM

bump

JoeCanada42 · 14th March 2023, 03:35 AM

this one just arrived today, anyone with some thoughts, or ideas about the sigil please share, thanks

JoeCanada42 · 14th March 2023, 03:37 AM

thanks

fernando · 14th March 2023, 09:27 AM

A letter opener ?

JoeCanada42 · 14th March 2023, 05:27 PM

well yes, and that's what it was sold to me as
but I suspect a very old one, or a home made one...

the sigil marking adds some mystery and I think helps support the fact it is more than just a letter opener
antique letter openers on their own are quite collectable, but there is a market as well for bronze/ brass athames. I have read and heard of many wiccans that start with a letter opener...
magic enchantment wont stick to iron, but copper alloys are good, much better for a wand or dowsing rod...
also for working with the Fae or Aos Si or anything offended by iron.
I did look at every brass bronze athame (& letter openers) I could find. this one spoke to me as being genuine. I suspect something like this would be used in magical treasure hunting, the sigil seems to look like a "money attraction symbol"
it didn't cost much and there is a lot of upside to the gamble, something like this could be very old, or could be made out of special alloys,

maybe it just looks like a letter opener partly on purpose for many reasons you may not want family or authorities to find out you practice magic or magic treasure hunting even, which I understand was quite popular.

currently I am almost done reading : Magical Treasure Hunting in Europe and North America by Johannes Dillinger, quite interesting., thought I would read it and maybe find some info , seems I don't need the magic, I seem to have the tools and treasures coming my way anyway .

I think maybe someone made a copy of a letter opener to produce there own athame? and definitely looks old...

2nd February 2023, 08:54 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,943	"..curioser and curiouser"!! Very well said I.P.!!! In the study of ethnographic arms, there are constant religious, superstitious, talismanic imbuements of virtually all sorts, though scholarly studies typically are inclined to avoid any in depth study of these. Presumably anything which cannot be proven empirically is glossed over except with occasional side notes. However, in the designs and symbolism inherent in most of these forms, these are virtually predominant, despite metaphysical origins. In European arms the presence of similar associations with magic, occult and superstitious elements in decoration, inscriptions and markings equally are often present. Ironically, much of the same arcane symbology is of course present on these kinds of weapons in the private sector and often in ritual and ceremonial practice. Yet this is often met with similar reticence to that of serious study of these kinds of character in the arms used in warfare or self defense. I have always thought, we do not have to believe in what these symbols and esoteric elements represent....but to understand and perhaps identify a weapon being examined.....we must become aware of what the people using them believed. As I.P. has well noted, often examples being copied or produced later may well incorporate the significant symbols without awareness of meaning, but simply carrying forth the completeness of the item copied. I always think of the automotive analogy........in the 1950s, the Buick had distinctive discs on the side of the hood. Most people had no idea what these represented, however these were vestigial representations of the exhaust ports from cars of the 1930s, as well as aviation, those on fighter planes.

2nd February 2023, 10:36 PM	#2
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	well said both of you and thanks here is an example that I feel displays "vestigial decorations" with similarity Attached Images

23rd February 2023, 01:41 AM	#3
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	bump Attached Images

14th March 2023, 03:35 AM	#4
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	this one just arrived today, anyone with some thoughts, or ideas about the sigil please share, thanks Attached Images

14th March 2023, 03:37 AM	#5
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	thanks Attached Images

14th March 2023, 09:27 AM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A letter opener ?

14th March 2023, 05:27 PM	#7
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	well yes, and that's what it was sold to me as but I suspect a very old one, or a home made one... the sigil marking adds some mystery and I think helps support the fact it is more than just a letter opener antique letter openers on their own are quite collectable, but there is a market as well for bronze/ brass athames. I have read and heard of many wiccans that start with a letter opener... magic enchantment wont stick to iron, but copper alloys are good, much better for a wand or dowsing rod... also for working with the Fae or Aos Si or anything offended by iron. I did look at every brass bronze athame (& letter openers) I could find. this one spoke to me as being genuine. I suspect something like this would be used in magical treasure hunting, the sigil seems to look like a "money attraction symbol" it didn't cost much and there is a lot of upside to the gamble, something like this could be very old, or could be made out of special alloys, maybe it just looks like a letter opener partly on purpose for many reasons you may not want family or authorities to find out you practice magic or magic treasure hunting even, which I understand was quite popular. currently I am almost done reading : Magical Treasure Hunting in Europe and North America by Johannes Dillinger, quite interesting., thought I would read it and maybe find some info , seems I don't need the magic, I seem to have the tools and treasures coming my way anyway . I think maybe someone made a copy of a letter opener to produce there own athame? and definitely looks old...