Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

[Teisani]

Another thing to consider when dating sabres can be scabbard fittings. Here's an interesting article on this topic (in Russian, but Google translate works well enough). https://www.kitabhona.org.ua/libwar_armor/oboyma1.html

[awdaniec666]

Teisani,
I regret not having the time in the moment to dive in a extended discussion about our topic here with you but I follow your posts with great interest. Feel free to take the PDF from above and add information to it, if you want. I think this would be beneficial for all readers. There is so much to talk about and I will come back to it on a regular basis after finishing my final university exam which consumes nearly all of my time until April I had the urge to write this because you´re putting in that effort and so much in-depth information. Thanks again for that.

[Teisani]

Originally Posted by awdaniec666

Teisani,
I regret not having the time in the moment to dive in a extended discussion about our topic here with you but I follow your posts with great interest.

No worries awdaniec666. For now, I will try to compile sabres/depictions of sabres that can be reliably dated to the period of interest (eg Nikola Zrinski's sabre, which physically exists and of which there is also a period depiction).

Once all this compilation is done, the analysis/conversation of said data can begin. I'll post everything I have in the next week (not much, just what I could find online).

A few notes:

1 - The title is "Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers"; however, I believe some Byzantine/Ottoman Empire sabres from the 1400s-1600s may be included for analysis as Central and Eastern Europe did not develop in a vacuum.

2 - I have some doubts that the sabre depicted here has a karabela hilt (first page your PDF). When you have time, could you please provide a higher quality picture, or tell me where was it taken? I just have doubts that the karabela hilt originated in the early 1500s.

3 - The picture of the Ferdinand II, Archduke of Austria sabre is really nice . When you have time, can you please provide it in a higher resolution on this thread?

Have a nice day and good luck with your exam!

[Teisani]

A nice book: Huszárfegyverek a 15-17. században by Kovács S. Tibor https://issuu.com/lajosyossarian/doc...sz__rfegyverek

[Teisani]

A few beautiful drawings by Italian artists from the 15th century of Ottoman/Byzantine people (and their sabres). Luckily in high resolution . This kind of artwork really tickles my fancy .

1 - Sketches of the Emperor John VIII Palaeologus, a monk, and a sabre - by Pisanello in 1438:

Source: https://www.artic.edu/artworks/11356...rd?q=Pisanello
I highly recommend studying the high-resolution version in the link.

PS: There is also a depiction of a bow and quiver here (https://www.artic.edu/artworks/11356...iver-of-arrows) and another depiction of John VIII Palaiologos (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._Pisanello.jpg). Although not really relevant to this discussion, still nice.

[Teisani]

2 - Ottoman janissary by Gentile Bellini 1479 - 1481 (probably at Constantinople).

Source: https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...ject/P_Pp-1-19

[Teisani]

3 - Ippolito de' Medici in Hungarian costume by Tiziano Vecellio in 1533.
Source: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritrat...o_de%27_Medici & https://gallerix.org/album/Titian/pic/glrx-323132363
I know I posted this one before, but it's worth posting a close-up of that sabre.