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Old 12th December 2022, 09:01 PM   #17
Radboud
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Thanks very much.............turns out all I have at the moment is Bezdek, my Robson is the old one (1975, which is about beat to death as I've had it since then); Wilkinson-Latham I have but not here.

British Military Swords - John Wilkinson Latham:

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Views: 1889
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Swords of the British Army - Brian Robson:
Pg. 109 Plate 92. Hourse Grenadier Guards

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Views: 1885
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Pg. 179 Plate 167. Grenadier Company Officers basket hilt
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Views: 1899
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Pg. 190 Plate 183. Broadsword, Sergents, 42nd Foot
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Views: 1865
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Pg. 194 Plates 187 and 188
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Views: 1898
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Apologies that I clipped the description on 188; that's what happens first thing in the morning.

The 1798 Pattern Highland Regiment officers' swords are interesting because the ring pommel appears to be used regularly as part of that pattern. Probably not exactly what you're after, but it shows that the design continued to be used on basket hilts after it disappeared from other swords.

Looking at the examples, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the form is a hangover from basket-hilted swords, which remained as the cavalry officers' hilt form changed in the mid-18th century and finally fell out of use with the advent of pattern swords with a solid backstrap in 1796.

Of course, with all things of the period, there will be exceptions, but the popularity of a solid backstrap likely was the end of the 'pommel ring' for cavalry officers' swords.
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