A double handed sword

Jim McDougall · 8th October 2022, 07:22 PM

The marking appears to be the 'winged lion of St. Mark' as occurs on numbers of weapons from Venice and associated with the armouries of the Doge of Venice of earlier centuries.

francantolin · 9th October 2022, 05:50 PM

Thank you !!

shayde78 · 13th October 2022, 03:31 AM

Without weighing in one way or the other, I offer some images of examples out of the workshop of Ernst Schmidt of Munich.
The prices listed are in 1920s Deutsch marks.

francantolin · 13th October 2022, 08:56 PM

Thank you for these pictures ,
It s a really interesting book you have here !!
Some models really look like, especially the pommel ;
( styled on old models ??)

Does anybody know what was the value of 50 Marks on 1920 or what we could buy with this amount ?
These models seems all well made , I can't imagine they were really cheap replicas.

Crisis...
In 1923, they did wallpapers with Deutsch Marks after 2 years of devaluation..
A suitcase full of money for buy a piece of bread...

shayde78 · 14th October 2022, 02:26 AM

I knew there was a note in the book regarding prices, but couldn't locate it yesterday. See the attached picture.

In 1967, the conversion was 1:1 (1920 marks to 1967 dollars)

Per this website ( https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1967 )
$100 dollars in 1967 is worth $888 in 2022.
So, 100 marks in the book is worth 888 modern dollars.

francantolin · 21st October 2022, 02:54 PM

Hello all,

Interesting sites about Zweihander swords - Spadone swords and how they were used even on boat attack,
Lepanto battle...

all in italian...

https://zweilawyer.com/2010/02/06/zweihander/

https://zweilawyer.com/2019/08/29/sp...el-xvi-secolo/

https://medievaleggiando.it/lo-spado...-rinascimento/

NeilUK · 22nd October 2022, 11:45 AM

Congratulations and thanks to Francantolin for finding and providing links to these magazine articles, especially as the first and third refer to my own published work on two-handed swords (I don't like the term Zweihander in an English language account because it is German and we have a perfectly good English term and also it is a modern, not a historical, term). The first article refers to a piece I wrote in November 1983, which is now a bit out of date, and uses some of my material. The third directs the reader to my book, originally published in England in 2018, though the reference is to an edition published in India (!!). The second article is most interesting for me as it deals in detail with the two-hander being used on board ship. I do mention this unusual aspect in my book but not in such detail. In case anyone is interested enough to look for my book its title is The Two-Handed Sword, History Design and Use published by Pen and Sword. Over 200 pages, over 100 illustrations most in colour.
Neil Melville

Dmitry · 22nd October 2022, 12:36 PM

I want to warn against taking sandpaper to remove rust. To me, the result looks aggressively over-cleaned. I would try gentler methods first.

13th October 2022, 03:31 AM	#3
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 444	Without weighing in one way or the other, I offer some images of examples out of the workshop of Ernst Schmidt of Munich. The prices listed are in 1920s Deutsch marks. Attached Images

13th October 2022, 08:56 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 852	Thank you for these pictures , It s a really interesting book you have here !! Some models really look like, especially the pommel ; ( styled on old models ??) Does anybody know what was the value of 50 Marks on 1920 or what we could buy with this amount ? These models seems all well made , I can't imagine they were really cheap replicas. Crisis... In 1923, they did wallpapers with Deutsch Marks after 2 years of devaluation.. A suitcase full of money for buy a piece of bread... Attached Images

14th October 2022, 02:26 AM	#5
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 444	I knew there was a note in the book regarding prices, but couldn't locate it yesterday. See the attached picture. In 1967, the conversion was 1:1 (1920 marks to 1967 dollars) Per this website ( https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1967 ) $100 dollars in 1967 is worth $888 in 2022. So, 100 marks in the book is worth 888 modern dollars. Attached Images

8th October 2022, 07:22 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,896	The marking appears to be the 'winged lion of St. Mark' as occurs on numbers of weapons from Venice and associated with the armouries of the Doge of Venice of earlier centuries.

9th October 2022, 05:50 PM	#2
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 852	Thank you !!

21st October 2022, 02:54 PM	#6
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 852	Hello all, Interesting sites about Zweihander swords - Spadone swords and how they were used even on boat attack, Lepanto battle... all in italian... https://zweilawyer.com/2010/02/06/zweihander/ https://zweilawyer.com/2019/08/29/sp...el-xvi-secolo/ https://medievaleggiando.it/lo-spado...-rinascimento/

22nd October 2022, 11:45 AM	#7
NeilUK Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Scotland Posts: 125	Congratulations and thanks to Francantolin for finding and providing links to these magazine articles, especially as the first and third refer to my own published work on two-handed swords (I don't like the term Zweihander in an English language account because it is German and we have a perfectly good English term and also it is a modern, not a historical, term). The first article refers to a piece I wrote in November 1983, which is now a bit out of date, and uses some of my material. The third directs the reader to my book, originally published in England in 2018, though the reference is to an edition published in India (!!). The second article is most interesting for me as it deals in detail with the two-hander being used on board ship. I do mention this unusual aspect in my book but not in such detail. In case anyone is interested enough to look for my book its title is The Two-Handed Sword, History Design and Use published by Pen and Sword. Over 200 pages, over 100 illustrations most in colour. Neil Melville

22nd October 2022, 12:36 PM	#8
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	I want to warn against taking sandpaper to remove rust. To me, the result looks aggressively over-cleaned. I would try gentler methods first.