10th August 2022, 02:58 PM | #1 |
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Indonesian European style 'Falchion' for discussion
Picked this up at an auction today, more info/pics on arrival.
Appears to be from Tjikoreh (Chikorea, in the modern Indonesian), marking is a bit odd tho. Mis-spelling or alternate spelling "Tjiratiing"? Extensive punched decoration down the fuller. 1902 date. 51 cm. (20 in.) blade. Wood scabbard. Thanks for your comments... |
10th August 2022, 03:58 PM | #2 |
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Would this be classified as a Klewang?
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10th August 2022, 04:22 PM | #3 |
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It is a Tjikeroeh, they come in all sizes …
from dagger, golok, to klewang. And a variety of spelling as well See also: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=Tjikeroeh http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5260 |
10th August 2022, 06:16 PM | #4 |
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I'd class it as a klewang, these were made mostly for the dutch colonials/soldiers in the form of the 'familiar' (to them) hirshfanger/Hunting Sword/dagger, rather than the more local forms of klewang. I called it a falchion as this one is more of a chopper than a stabber like most european hunting swords. I have a couple of them of more normal pointyness , including the ubiquitous Dutch Klewang/Cutlass used by the dutch/germans/americans. (as below) and by the japanese, after shortening the blade, and modifying the guard on a batch they captured. I'm a sucker for stag antler grips... |
10th August 2022, 08:40 PM | #5 |
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Very nice sword. The scabbard looks like a Maasai sheath without the leather covering; do you think that it is original to the blade?
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10th August 2022, 09:31 PM | #6 |
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Tjipatjing
Most swords of this kind were made in Tjikeroeh (Cikeruh).
Tjpatjing (Cipacing) is an other village on West-Java where this type of sword was made. |
10th August 2022, 09:39 PM | #7 | |
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11th August 2022, 03:06 AM | #8 |
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Sorry if my post wasn't clearer; I was referring to the first picture with the wooden scabbard.
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From pictures in the linked threads above, the wooden scabbards are fairly typical. there does seem to be a crack in the wood near the throat. Might be why the metal bands are there. I'll wick in some superglue when it arrives, justincase.
Coincidentally, the sword was listed with a decent Maasai seme & its red scabbard, which does look quite similar. It'll come with the klewang. Already have two, they seem to accumulate, like ex-wives... Convergent evolution Last edited by kronckew; 11th August 2022 at 09:54 AM. |
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I Want One
kronckew,
I really like your sword. It looks something like a small da dao. I imagine that it could deal a heck of a blow, even in close quarters. Sincerely, RobT |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klewang In Dutch it became part of our language as we have an expression “chase someone over the Klewang” … Guess the meaning is quite obvious, as it is a quite rude way as well to express a deadly battle encounter / situation. Became very fast integrated into the Dutch language: I recall my late father using it easily when describing the WWII encounters with the Japanese in the very few occasions he spoke about that time…. So it is very understandable the likes of Hembrug produced these klewangs |
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18th August 2022, 05:23 PM | #15 |
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Correct “ over de kling jagen” or even “ over de kling springen” is the correct proverb, must be my father used it in a wide way of speaking to ventilate his feelings of the jungle encounters.
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