Calligraphy handled (choora?) dagger

mahratt · 20th May 2022, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

The 'funny' loop on the scabbard chape is more functional. You can tie decorative tassels to it, and it helps keep the scabbard in your sash when you pull out the dagger only to have the blade snap off at the glued-in tang when you stabbed an opponent in the armour.

Thank you very much for the information. I will be very grateful if you post similar "loops" in the topic. It will be especially interesting if there are photos with such a loop on the bottom part of the scabbard, to which decorative tassels will be attached.

ariel · 20th May 2022, 08:46 PM

The peshkabz from the “ Splendeur…” was part of the 1988 exhibition of oriental weapons. Those came from the collections of renowned French and British collectors as well as from some selected collectors who wished to remained anonymous. All items were carefully selected by the organizing committee. The peshkabz shown there is a virtual copy of the one acquired by 10thRoyal.

Nevertheless, I trust the integrity and the knowledge of the owners of the item exhibited in 1988 and the organizing committee. In the absence of any evidence of forgery/recent manufacture of either example all claims of the above should be viewed as baseless. All arguments in favor of “touristy” origin of the peshkabz shown here are based on some features of the scabbard. However, all other examples came without scabbards, so these arguments are invalid and cannot be counted as facts.

If somebody still believes the contrary, the onus is on him/her to prove it with hard facts.

For a long time everybody dated the so-called “chevron blades” to 17th century. It took Elgood to find out the descendant of the dynasty inventing such blades in the 19th century and to observe actual process of forging to change our belief.

mahratt · 20th May 2022, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

In the absence of any evidence of forgery/recent manufacture of either example all claims of the above should be viewed as baseless. If somebody still believes the contrary, the onus is on him/her to prove it with hard facts.

Keeping faith in miracles is wonderful.

fernando · 20th May 2022, 08:57 PM

Done with, Gentlemen !

David · 23rd May 2022, 06:30 PM

As someone whose collecting knowledge comes from the wild and wacky world of keris i must say that i have encountered many blades that would not be very good functional weapons that are in no way, shape or form "tourist" items. Is it possible this blade was created for a ceremonial function and not a practical one?

20th May 2022, 08:46 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The peshkabz from the “ Splendeur…” was part of the 1988 exhibition of oriental weapons. Those came from the collections of renowned French and British collectors as well as from some selected collectors who wished to remained anonymous. All items were carefully selected by the organizing committee. The peshkabz shown there is a virtual copy of the one acquired by 10thRoyal. Nevertheless, I trust the integrity and the knowledge of the owners of the item exhibited in 1988 and the organizing committee. In the absence of any evidence of forgery/recent manufacture of either example all claims of the above should be viewed as baseless. All arguments in favor of “touristy” origin of the peshkabz shown here are based on some features of the scabbard. However, all other examples came without scabbards, so these arguments are invalid and cannot be counted as facts. If somebody still believes the contrary, the onus is on him/her to prove it with hard facts. For a long time everybody dated the so-called “chevron blades” to 17th century. It took Elgood to find out the descendant of the dynasty inventing such blades in the 19th century and to observe actual process of forging to change our belief.

20th May 2022, 08:57 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Done with, Gentlemen !

23rd May 2022, 06:30 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,100	As someone whose collecting knowledge comes from the wild and wacky world of keris i must say that i have encountered many blades that would not be very good functional weapons that are in no way, shape or form "tourist" items. Is it possible this blade was created for a ceremonial function and not a practical one?