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35 years ago I would have thought they were fantasy pistols myself You have lots of users here and I was hoping somone would know. I'm sure there is, but until then I just have to wait. Keep up the great work !!! Last edited by Tordenskiold1721; 2nd May 2022 at 08:13 PM. Reason: Typo |
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Hi Tordenkiold,
A look at Google "scottish pistols reproduction" shows the number of reproductions that are available. I do not have access to any reproduction, I live in South America, nor do I have access to the pieces that motivate this dialogue or discussion. I allow myself to upload this image, as an example, produced by myAmoury.com. Affectionately |
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The old patina and rust, the assembly stamps on the inside of the tangs, over 200 years old grease or some type of oil on the inside, just don't put the pistols posted in the reproduction category. But hey, I understand you follow your emotions ![]() Here is one more replica. Not really a point but they are easy to find in all forms and quality grades: Last edited by Tordenskiold1721; 3rd May 2022 at 08:54 AM. Reason: Typo |
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I sincerely hope that someone familiar with the precise model of your pistols show up with an expected identification. So far, current members tend to bear in mind that, besides rust and patina being nowadays possible to create by fake specialists, reproductions made in South Asia (India) are available out there, vent picks usually terminate in a thinner spike and there is not a minimum decoration detail, even the often seen oval in the butt. As for the 'apparently' crude aspect of your examples, you have them in your hands, you can judge better; notwithstanding such situation alone does not necessarily define whether the gun is genuine or a repro... in principle.
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I know we do not normally discuss reproductions but as a salutary warning here is an original kit manufactured by Coach Harness in the U. K. in the 1960s. They pioneered casting from originals using the lost wax ceramic shell process .
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On a more academic note here is how the stocks of these pistols are believed to have been constructed . Research from the Farmers Museum co-operative Cooperstown . New York .A complex forging operation starting from a flat sheet . Note the visible brazing where the horns are attached . A seam should be visible on the underside of the stock.
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Hello
Speaking of counterfeits, we must say that it is very easy to reproduce rust and pitting in a current piece by "aging" it. For that, chemical substances are used, which give up their oxygen easily. The same goes for numbers, they can be stamped and aged. The needles presented here appear to be made with a common, long screw that has been ground to a fine thread just like the head and tapered. Precisely, as the head is not very long, I leave it like this, short. There are other methods to find out, such as the pitch of the screws. In a current forgery, standard screws (metric or withwort) are used. I think you can continue investigating Affectionately Más información sobre este texto de origenPara obtener más información sobre la traducción, se necesita el texto de origen Enviar comentarios Paneles laterales |
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Speaking of counterfeits, digging a metal part down into wet dirt creates a more real antique rust than acids. I heard there is even good counterfeits of 100 dollar bills
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In the book of my old friend Bob Brooker, "British Military pistols and associated edged weapons" there are published five Scottish all steel flintlock pistols which possibly have been made for Scottish yeomanry or militia troops. All these pistols but one show no view and proof marks on their barfrels and have a rather resemblance with the pair in question.
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