Yataghan cartouche translation

OsobistGB · 2nd December 2021, 10:59 PM

Hello friends,

Can anyone please help me with the translation of the text in the cartouche of this yataghan?!How it can be dated?
Is it possible that one of the markings is a sultan's tugra?
I will be happy to share your opinion!

mariusgmioc · 2nd December 2021, 11:27 PM

Interesting. I found a date and can read 122(?)

Better photos might help reading the date.

kwiatek · 3rd December 2021, 01:02 AM

Inside the tughra it says in Turkish

sahib ahmed ‘amel-i hüseyin kalfa

“The owner Ahmed, work of Hüseyin Kalfa”

The tughra form itself might be the word malik, another word for “owner”

The date above is 1229 (1813-14)

The first line of the inscription in the long cartouche is of a type common on yataghans. In Turkish:

ya muhammed kıl şefaat ümmetindir ahmed

“O Muhammad intercede for Ahmed (on the Day of Judgement), he is [from] your community”

The second line is the ubiquitous Arabic phrase:

la fata illa ‘ali la sayf illa dhu’l-fiqar

“There is no hero but ‘Ali, no sword but Dhu’l-Fiqar (Zülfikar)”

For another piece by Hüseyin Kalfa

https://www.alifart.com/osmanli-yatagan-272436/

OsobistGB · 3rd December 2021, 09:55 PM

Thanks again for the help from kwiatek
I have another question. Can anyone guess the region where it was produced?

mariusgmioc · 3rd December 2021, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OsobistGB

Thanks again for the help from kwiatek
I have another question. Can anyone guess the region where it was produced?

I also join in thanking Kwiatek for contributing to our forum so much with his insightful translations!

Thank you!

I can guess. Guessing is easy... I guess...

I guess the blade is Turkish (as in Made in Turkey)... and the hilt is not original but a replacement, that wasn't made neither in Turkey, nor in the Balkans.

francantolin · 4th December 2021, 08:26 AM

Really nice yataghan ,
and another time thank's a lot Kwiatek for the translation and informations !!

As Marius said before,
Have you other close up pictures of the yataghan ??
( If you have it in your own hands ...

)

2nd December 2021, 10:59 PM	#1
OsobistGB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 94	Yataghan cartouche translation Hello friends, Can anyone please help me with the translation of the text in the cartouche of this yataghan?!How it can be dated? Is it possible that one of the markings is a sultan's tugra? I will be happy to share your opinion! Attached Images

2nd December 2021, 11:27 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Interesting. I found a date and can read 122(?) Better photos might help reading the date. Attached Images

3rd December 2021, 01:02 AM	#3
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	Inside the tughra it says in Turkish sahib ahmed ‘amel-i hüseyin kalfa “The owner Ahmed, work of Hüseyin Kalfa” The tughra form itself might be the word malik, another word for “owner” The date above is 1229 (1813-14) The first line of the inscription in the long cartouche is of a type common on yataghans. In Turkish: ya muhammed kıl şefaat ümmetindir ahmed “O Muhammad intercede for Ahmed (on the Day of Judgement), he is [from] your community” The second line is the ubiquitous Arabic phrase: la fata illa ‘ali la sayf illa dhu’l-fiqar “There is no hero but ‘Ali, no sword but Dhu’l-Fiqar (Zülfikar)” For another piece by Hüseyin Kalfa https://www.alifart.com/osmanli-yatagan-272436/

3rd December 2021, 09:55 PM	#4
OsobistGB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 94	Thanks again for the help from kwiatek I have another question. Can anyone guess the region where it was produced?

4th December 2021, 08:26 AM	#6
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	Really nice yataghan , and another time thank's a lot Kwiatek for the translation and informations !! As Marius said before, Have you other close up pictures of the yataghan ?? ( If you have it in your own hands ... )