The Ultimate Karabela Guide

batjka · 4th October 2021, 08:21 PM

Excellent topic with lots of information. Thank you very much!

For those who have not seen "Zrodzeni do szabli", you can watch it at a link below. Atmosphere of 17th Century PLC and the battle scenes are very well filmed.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7zg9da

awdaniec666 · 7th December 2021, 07:20 PM

As I came back here I realized the lack of sources for the information I provided.
To fix that, here is the literature I used for this work.
Other sources are my own experience examining and handling antique sabers and conclusions I made through olympic and historical fencing.

- Wojciech Zablocki, "Ciecia prawdziwa szabla", Wydawnictwo sport i turystyka, 1989, Warsaw

- Andrzej Nadolski, "Polish Arms - Side Arms", Ossolineum, 1974, Wroclaw

- Zdzislaw Zygulski, "Stara Bron w polskich zbiorach", Krajowa Agencja Wydawnictwa, 1982, Warsaw

- Marian Glosek, "Znaki i napisy na mieczach sredniowiecznych w Polsce", Ossolineum, 1973, Wroclaw

- Wlodzimierz Kwasniewicz, "Szable z polskiej przeszlosci", Bellona, 2015, Warsaw

- Janusz Sekowski, "Konserwacja broni bialej z elementami bronioznawstwa", Semper, 2008, Warsaw

- Stanislaw Ledochowski, "Polskie szable bojowe", Krajowa Agencja wydawnicza, 1980, Warsaw

- Zygmunt Bielicki, "Polskie szable pamiatkowe", Krajowa Agencja wydawnicza, 1980, Warsaw

- Stanislaw Meyer, Articles from "bron i barwa Part I - II", 1934, London, Warsaw

awdaniec666 · 3rd January 2022, 09:00 PM

I was working on the newest part of this guide when I realized the ton of images I would like to show, would mean the risk of getting problems with copyright. This is the reason I removed all images. I would ask a Moderator to remove this part 6 because I have no rights to do so in this forum.

Original text:

"Hello again!
I´m happy to have some time to add a little more to this guide. Having the idea to start a series of chapters, each of them including few examples of class II sabers of a particular origin, I start here with Ottoman specimen. Keep in mind that this will not fit into todays borders and different cultures had impacts on regions which were distant from their epicentre. F.e.: Ottoman rule over the Balkans or Ukraine beeing part of the PLC. You will also find some "karabela-ish" weapons here. Your thoughts about those "somehow karabela, but somehow not" swords are very welcome.
I do not own most of the images following and use them for educational purposes here. If you see something what is infringing your copyright, please get in contact with me or the admins so that we can remove it.
If youre reading this on your mobile phone and the image resolution is bad: Sorry!
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OTTOMAN"

awdaniec666 · 3rd January 2022, 09:06 PM

POLISH LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH: KARABELA KONTUSZOWA (PARADE)
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awdaniec666 · 3rd January 2022, 09:12 PM

POLISH-LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH: BATTLE KARABELA
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awdaniec666 · 3rd January 2022, 09:20 PM

RUSSIAN (I only know one confirmed example which belonged to Tsar Peter I)
Cave: Not to beeing taken as blueprint for "russian karabela"!
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awdaniec666 · 3rd January 2022, 09:24 PM

COSSACK
Cave: Some auction houses declare them as of PLC origin. These sabers belonging to the Cossack culture is just my own opinion
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7th December 2021, 07:20 PM	#2
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 153	Sources As I came back here I realized the lack of sources for the information I provided. To fix that, here is the literature I used for this work. Other sources are my own experience examining and handling antique sabers and conclusions I made through olympic and historical fencing. - Wojciech Zablocki, "Ciecia prawdziwa szabla", Wydawnictwo sport i turystyka, 1989, Warsaw - Andrzej Nadolski, "Polish Arms - Side Arms", Ossolineum, 1974, Wroclaw - Zdzislaw Zygulski, "Stara Bron w polskich zbiorach", Krajowa Agencja Wydawnictwa, 1982, Warsaw - Marian Glosek, "Znaki i napisy na mieczach sredniowiecznych w Polsce", Ossolineum, 1973, Wroclaw - Wlodzimierz Kwasniewicz, "Szable z polskiej przeszlosci", Bellona, 2015, Warsaw - Janusz Sekowski, "Konserwacja broni bialej z elementami bronioznawstwa", Semper, 2008, Warsaw - Stanislaw Ledochowski, "Polskie szable bojowe", Krajowa Agencja wydawnicza, 1980, Warsaw - Zygmunt Bielicki, "Polskie szable pamiatkowe", Krajowa Agencja wydawnicza, 1980, Warsaw - Stanislaw Meyer, Articles from "bron i barwa Part I - II", 1934, London, Warsaw

3rd January 2022, 09:00 PM	#3
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 153	The Ultimate Karabela Guide PART 6 I was working on the newest part of this guide when I realized the ton of images I would like to show, would mean the risk of getting problems with copyright. This is the reason I removed all images. I would ask a Moderator to remove this part 6 because I have no rights to do so in this forum. Original text: "Hello again! I´m happy to have some time to add a little more to this guide. Having the idea to start a series of chapters, each of them including few examples of class II sabers of a particular origin, I start here with Ottoman specimen. Keep in mind that this will not fit into todays borders and different cultures had impacts on regions which were distant from their epicentre. F.e.: Ottoman rule over the Balkans or Ukraine beeing part of the PLC. You will also find some "karabela-ish" weapons here. Your thoughts about those "somehow karabela, but somehow not" swords are very welcome. I do not own most of the images following and use them for educational purposes here. If you see something what is infringing your copyright, please get in contact with me or the admins so that we can remove it. If youre reading this on your mobile phone and the image resolution is bad: Sorry! -------- OTTOMAN" Last edited by awdaniec666; 3rd January 2022 at 09:42 PM. Reason: COPYRIGHT: PLEASE DELETE TODAYS POSTS

3rd January 2022, 09:06 PM	#4
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 153	POLISH LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH: KARABELA KONTUSZOWA (PARADE) ------------------------- Last edited by awdaniec666; 3rd January 2022 at 09:38 PM.

3rd January 2022, 09:12 PM	#5
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 153	POLISH-LITHUANIAN COMMONWEALTH: BATTLE KARABELA -------------- Last edited by awdaniec666; 3rd January 2022 at 09:39 PM.

3rd January 2022, 09:20 PM	#6
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 153	RUSSIAN (I only know one confirmed example which belonged to Tsar Peter I) Cave: Not to beeing taken as blueprint for "russian karabela"! ------ Last edited by awdaniec666; 3rd January 2022 at 09:39 PM.

4th October 2021, 08:21 PM	#1
batjka Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 39	Excellent topic with lots of information. Thank you very much! For those who have not seen "Zrodzeni do szabli", you can watch it at a link below. Atmosphere of 17th Century PLC and the battle scenes are very well filmed. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7zg9da

3rd January 2022, 09:24 PM	#7
awdaniec666 Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: Central Europe Posts: 153	COSSACK Cave: Some auction houses declare them as of PLC origin. These sabers belonging to the Cossack culture is just my own opinion --------- Last edited by awdaniec666; 3rd January 2022 at 09:39 PM.