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Because it's full silver work some members will tell you that this Yat is Greek.
But Kubur in his infinite wisdom will tell you that this Yat is Ottoman Turkish. Amen |
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![]() ![]() ![]() Brilliant! You made my day! |
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The hilt and scabbard are Greek indeed. Mounts usually indicate where a weapon was used.
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![]() ![]() Please explain to us why these mounts are Greek do you have any proof?? Silver work is not always Greek, do you have any particular element to say that? Its funny, there is nothing wrong to change his mind... ![]() |
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For those actually interested in the decoration as a method of identifying where arms were used, Sylektis has done all the work with pictures from various Greek museums: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=greek+museum http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=greek+museum http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=greek+museum http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...t=greek+museum Everyone is free to compare the style of the museum items with the mounts of the yataghan in this thread and make their own conclusions. |
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After all, the Ottoman army didn't conquer Greece with sticks, nor did it invade Greece to get a source of decent weaponry... And the Balkans did became a known source of weaponry only after the Ottoman occupation, not before that. And what about examples from Turkish museums?! Where are they?! What about a well documented book about Turkish swordsmiths and their style, markings, etc?! There isn't any?! So then, in the absence of evidence we embrace the evidence of absence... ... and so, falacies are propagated and spread until they become the well known truth... PS: If you read the captions from the museum exhibits, you may notice most say "weapons USED during Greek revolution..." not weapons MADE in Greece. However, some display quite clear Greek characteristics, being undoubtedly made in Greece while others look 100% Turkish... Last edited by mariusgmioc; 19th February 2020 at 12:12 AM. |
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As for the made vs. used debate, would you consider takoubas with the typical tripple fuller Solingen made blades as swords from the Sahel, or from Germany? |
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I have noticed a trend/fashion to allocate most of the Ottoman weapons to Greece or the Balcans, like there were no swordsmiths in Turkey, when in fact there were a lot of them. And they were among the most skilled swordsmiths of their time, working wootz and the exceptionally elaborate Turkish Ribbon pattern welded blades. And I noticed this not only in the discussions here but also with reputed auction houses. In fact, I acquired a few "Greek" or "Balkan" Ottoman swords and daggers with the silver mounts marked with the Turgha... I also have major doubts about several of the pieces in Elgood's book "The Arms of Greece and her Balkan Neighbours in the Ottoman Period" where he proclaims the pieces are Greek or from the Balkans without providing the faintest sliver of evidence... Now are we supposed to swallow that only because Elgood said so?! Well, I am certainly not! ... but then again... who am I to criticize the work Elgood?! |
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