Persian percussion gun repair.

rickystl · 24th September 2017, 06:54 PM

Here is an Afghan Jezail. There are many, many Jezail specimens available today. There are exceptions of course, but for the most part these guns do not have major collector value. No dought due to the many remaining specimens, and the fact there are not as many collectors for the Eastern guns like there are for the blades and armour.
And this one was no exception. It was in poor condition when I received it. It's only real value being the genuine English trade lock versus a locally made copy.
I bought this gun with the intent purpose to have it restored to full, safe shooting condition. It's historical value (if any) was of minor importance in this case. Functionality over historical value. A full restoration was done including a new steel, rifled barrel liner inside the original barrel. The gun now has a new life and is much fun to shoot. And that was the goal in this case. Before and after pics:

Rick

estcrh · 24th September 2017, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rickystl

Here is an Afghan Jezail. There are many, many Jezail specimens available today. There are exceptions of course, but for the most part these guns do not have major collector value. No dought due to the many remaining specimens, and the fact there are not as many collectors for the Eastern guns like there are for the blades and armour.
And this one was no exception. It was in poor condition when I received it. It's only real value being the genuine English trade lock versus a locally made copy.
I bought this gun with the intent purpose to have it restored to full, safe shooting condition. It's historical value (if any) was of minor importance in this case. Functionality over historical value. A full restoration was done including a new steel, rifled barrel liner inside the original barrel. The gun now has a new life and is much fun to shoot. And that was the goal in this case. Before and after pics:

Rick

Rick, the lengths you go amaze me!!! As for the relative lack of interest in Afghan firearms...this tends to extend to all Afghan military items except maybe some types of swords and daggers, rather unfortunate in my opinion.

rickystl · 24th September 2017, 07:24 PM

Hopefully, the Moderator will allow a couple pics of a Europen gun here just for comparison purposes.

Here are a couple pics of what is generally termed by collectors as a Northwest Trade gun (Fusil). These guns were made primarily in England for sale/trade to North America. Especially during the say 1790-1850 period. And most were probably traded to the North American Indians. Even though they were likely made by the thousands, there are relitively few survivors remaining, and are rare in any condition, and very desirous for collectors of this period. In the case of this gun, it is actually an original Belgium made copy of the English guns. Which adds further to it's rarity, but not necessarily to it's value.
It's condition is no better than Fair, converted from flintlock to percussion back in the period, as most were. It has seen heavy usage, and was probably used all the way till it's tumbler/sear broke. Even the barrel is held to the stock with two pieces of (later) wire, having it's barrel lugs coming unsoldered sometime in the past. But it's historical significance, and collector desire/value are such that no attempt at restoration would even be considered. A case of history over function. I'm simply the next caretaker for this gun. So this gun is the exact opposite of the Jazail on my previous post. Hope this gives you a better idea.

Rick

ariel · 24th September 2017, 10:59 PM

Thanks Rick!

Your position is noted and it clarifies a lot . End justifies the means, in a positive sense.

Again, thanks for the lesson.

estcrh · 25th September 2017, 04:10 AM

Sind percussion long gun, 63 inches, converted from matchlock. This has two stock splices, they do not appear to have been glued at all, how common was this, I have seen this before on Indian matchlocks.

qusko · 3rd February 2019, 07:44 PM

Adding another persian rifle here. Similar connection of two pieces of wood. A little bit different rifle butt.

David R · 6th February 2019, 10:27 PM

I have seen Western percussion muskets with a two piece stock as well, though they had a very well fitted mortise and tenon join rather than a V splice. Anything beyond the forward hand grip point contributes nothing to the structural integrity of the piece anyway.

kahnjar1 · 7th February 2019, 08:35 AM

This Sind also has a spliced stock, but only one splice, and never glued by the look of it.Simply held by the bands.
Stu

24th September 2017, 06:54 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Here is an Afghan Jezail. There are many, many Jezail specimens available today. There are exceptions of course, but for the most part these guns do not have major collector value. No dought due to the many remaining specimens, and the fact there are not as many collectors for the Eastern guns like there are for the blades and armour. And this one was no exception. It was in poor condition when I received it. It's only real value being the genuine English trade lock versus a locally made copy. I bought this gun with the intent purpose to have it restored to full, safe shooting condition. It's historical value (if any) was of minor importance in this case. Functionality over historical value. A full restoration was done including a new steel, rifled barrel liner inside the original barrel. The gun now has a new life and is much fun to shoot. And that was the goal in this case. Before and after pics: Rick Attached Images

24th September 2017, 07:24 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hopefully, the Moderator will allow a couple pics of a Europen gun here just for comparison purposes. Here are a couple pics of what is generally termed by collectors as a Northwest Trade gun (Fusil). These guns were made primarily in England for sale/trade to North America. Especially during the say 1790-1850 period. And most were probably traded to the North American Indians. Even though they were likely made by the thousands, there are relitively few survivors remaining, and are rare in any condition, and very desirous for collectors of this period. In the case of this gun, it is actually an original Belgium made copy of the English guns. Which adds further to it's rarity, but not necessarily to it's value. It's condition is no better than Fair, converted from flintlock to percussion back in the period, as most were. It has seen heavy usage, and was probably used all the way till it's tumbler/sear broke. Even the barrel is held to the stock with two pieces of (later) wire, having it's barrel lugs coming unsoldered sometime in the past. But it's historical significance, and collector desire/value are such that no attempt at restoration would even be considered. A case of history over function. I'm simply the next caretaker for this gun. So this gun is the exact opposite of the Jazail on my previous post. Hope this gives you a better idea. Rick Attached Images

25th September 2017, 04:10 AM	#5
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,497	Sind percussion long gun, 63 inches, converted from matchlock. This has two stock splices, they do not appear to have been glued at all, how common was this, I have seen this before on Indian matchlocks. Attached Images

3rd February 2019, 07:44 PM	#6
qusko Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 55	Adding another persian rifle here. Similar connection of two pieces of wood. A little bit different rifle butt. Attached Images

7th February 2019, 08:35 AM	#8
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Another Sind with spliced stock This Sind also has a spliced stock, but only one splice, and never glued by the look of it.Simply held by the bands. Stu Attached Images

24th September 2017, 10:59 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Thanks Rick! Your position is noted and it clarifies a lot . End justifies the means, in a positive sense. Again, thanks for the lesson.

6th February 2019, 10:27 PM	#7
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	I have seen Western percussion muskets with a two piece stock as well, though they had a very well fitted mortise and tenon join rather than a V splice. Anything beyond the forward hand grip point contributes nothing to the structural integrity of the piece anyway.