An unusual blade

Gavin Nugent · 16th June 2017, 04:24 AM

David, Rick,

My initial thoughts when it arrived were north east coast peninsular, but I soon forgot the features of the Gandik and was lost in the broad bevelled edges and followed another path and have been lost in Sumatra.
Given the almost mono-steel appearance and the nature of the heat treatment, these points are typical of Patani through to Terengganu.

As you suspect, it is likely better placed in Malaysia.

Gavin

Rick · 16th June 2017, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

David, Rick,

My initial thoughts when it arrived were north east coast peninsular, but I soon forgot the features of the Gandik and was lost in the broad bevelled edges and followed another path and have been lost in Sumatra.
Given the almost mono-steel appearance and the nature of the heat treatment, these points are typical of Patani through to Terengganu.

As you suspect, it is likely better placed in Malaysia.

Gavin

From other places too.
Iirc this was collected in Makassar, 1920's.

Gavin Nugent · 16th June 2017, 05:35 AM

Apart from the unusual arrangement of the "fullers", and using Adni's reference as an ID guide, the Ron Da Nunut is also very unusual to my eye...specifically that nothing protrudes beyond the edge of the blade but it is "within".

Here is Henri's keris;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=inlaid+keris

I have seen another 9 luk version of the type too.

Gavin

Gavin Nugent · 8th November 2023, 12:08 PM

Mystery solved some years ago, Jambi is the origins.

A couple of others crept into the collection since 2017 too.

Those either side carry Alif pamor.

A. G. Maisey · 8th November 2023, 07:44 PM

Gavin, would a close-up of the "alif" pamor be possible?

David · 14th November 2023, 08:46 PM

Hey Gavin. I guess you missed Alan's request. I would like to see that close-up as well because i cannot really see ANY pamor on any of these blades. Thanks!

Gavin Nugent · 17th November 2023, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Hey Gavin. I guess you missed Alan's request. I would like to see that close-up as well because i cannot really see ANY pamor on any of these blades. Thanks!

Hello, David, Alan,

Apologies, I thought you may have seen the first image in the post and read on. (inserting broken shrug emoji.(when will the emoji be fixed?)).

The feature is Anak Sungai, not Alif. All is solved on both fronts.

I have below an Alif image from another Malay blade here though, it is part of a blade with triple Alif.

16th June 2017, 05:35 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Apart from the unusual arrangement of the "fullers", and using Adni's reference as an ID guide, the Ron Da Nunut is also very unusual to my eye...specifically that nothing protrudes beyond the edge of the blade but it is "within". Here is Henri's keris; http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=inlaid+keris I have seen another 9 luk version of the type too. Gavin Last edited by Gavin Nugent; 16th June 2017 at 08:31 AM. Reason: Additional link

8th November 2023, 12:08 PM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Mystery solved some years ago, Jambi is the origins. A couple of others crept into the collection since 2017 too. Those either side carry Alif pamor. Attached Images

16th June 2017, 04:24 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	David, Rick, My initial thoughts when it arrived were north east coast peninsular, but I soon forgot the features of the Gandik and was lost in the broad bevelled edges and followed another path and have been lost in Sumatra. Given the almost mono-steel appearance and the nature of the heat treatment, these points are typical of Patani through to Terengganu. As you suspect, it is likely better placed in Malaysia. Gavin

8th November 2023, 07:44 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,876	Gavin, would a close-up of the "alif" pamor be possible?

14th November 2023, 08:46 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,113	Hey Gavin. I guess you missed Alan's request. I would like to see that close-up as well because i cannot really see ANY pamor on any of these blades. Thanks!