![]() |
![]() |
#1 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Poole England
Posts: 441
|
![]()
Does anyone have a clue to the origin of this ?
Dense hardwood. Approx 17" / 43cm tall. I cannot find any references to a woman with a mans head on her back. The faces appear European but who knows? All suggestions welcome. Thanks Roy |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 425
|
![]()
Salome with the head of John the Baptist, perhaps?
I was thinking German, Black Forest area, but not for any articulable reason. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Poole England
Posts: 441
|
![]()
I did consider Salome, but almost every image shows her with John's head on a plate.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
Vikingsword Staff
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,287
|
![]()
I can't really see whether the woman is holding the head .
Is she? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Poole England
Posts: 441
|
![]()
Rick
Her arms disappear into the mans hair so it's not really clear. The only choices seem to be that either she is holding the head, it is growing out of her back in some alien way or that she is wearing it as an ornament like coleridges Ancient Mariner. Roy |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,204
|
![]()
it does look like one of those Black Forest lightwood carvings so is it possible that it depicts a German fairy tale or legend ?
Here is a possibility ... The Rose-Elf by Hans Christian Anderson (Fairy Tales 1839) A young woman’s lover is stabbed to death, beheaded, and buried, by her wicked and possessive brother. After committing the murder, the brother is described as ‘entering the beautiful, blooming girl’s bedroom as she lies dreaming of her lover, and bending over her, laughing hideously as only a fiend can laugh as he does so’. This could mean he just stands at the foot of her bed and laughs, but it could also represent something a lot more sinister.As the brother was burying the corpse, a dry leaf settled in his hair. A tiny elf, who witnessed the brutal act, hid under this leaf, which then settled on the girl’s bed as her brother ‘bent over her’. The elf climbs into the girl’s ear, tells her of her lover’s murder, and informs her where the body lies. The girl wakes up, broken-hearted, and goes into the woods to dig up her lover’s head. She shakes the earth out of his hair, kisses his cold, dead lips, and carries the severed head home with her. Last edited by thinreadline; 12th May 2017 at 08:11 AM. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Austria
Posts: 1,903
|
![]()
What about Judith holding the head of Holofernes?!
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Black Forest, Germany
Posts: 1,198
|
![]()
I am living in the Black Forest and I can affirm you that this is certainly no work of art of our region. By the way, Hans Christian Anderson was not a German but a Danish and between Danmark and the Black Forest in Southwest Germany there are more than 1000km. I think that the sculpture depicts Judith and the head of Holofernes.
corrado26 |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 403
|
![]()
If someone told me it was an (African) Makonde carvers attempt at a European subject I wouldn't be too surprised. Colin Henshaw might know.
Regards Richard. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,204
|
![]() Quote:
do however think the style has much in common with Black Forest style wood carving. You may well be right about it being Judith and Holofernes though most often in art this is depicted as Judith with a sword and with the head of Holofernes being carried not by her but by her servant & quite openly rather than concealed. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Poole England
Posts: 441
|
![]()
Thanks everyone. I didn't think it was goint to be very obvious. Richard, I like your idea. Several people had suggested Black Forest, but I did not think that the wood was dark enough or the carving fine enough.
Thinredline, the Rose Elf looks the best bet to me. Cheers Roy |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 | |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,430
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 | |
Lead Moderator European Armoury
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
|
![]() Quote:
But i just don't think; no expertise here. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 | |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Wirral
Posts: 1,204
|
![]() Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,430
|
![]()
In a way it almost reminds me of sculptures by Paul Gauguin. So maybe a hobbyist wanting to emulate his style ??
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#16 | |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Room 101, Glos. UK
Posts: 4,168
|
![]() Quote:
short version of the ending: the evil brother gets it in the end, stabbed by the elves of the roses poisoned spears. HCA was a rather gruesome story teller, hard to think of him as writing for children. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#17 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 403
|
![]()
I was thinking along the lines of the front row here.
Regards Richard |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#18 |
Lead Moderator European Armoury
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
|
![]()
Are those Maconde ?
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#19 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 403
|
![]()
Probably not, but being sold in Mozambique.
I think I was being a little too specific when I said Makonde. the 'chip' carving and wood look to me as if they could be East African. The concept of the protuding head made me think of a makonde shetani figure.This is just a suggestion. Colin might be closer to the mark whith his suggestion of it being the work of a hobbiest. Best wishes Richard |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#20 |
Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Poole England
Posts: 441
|
![]()
Thanks again everyone. I guess it will stay as a mystery for now.
I just like it because it is different and its "weirdness" appeals to me. Regards Roy |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|