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18th December 2016, 02:56 AM | #1 |
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Lovely collection and the naga hilt is a rare find. Ian
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18th December 2016, 08:57 PM | #2 |
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Hello,
I may be out of my league in the Moro area but can someone more knowledgeable comment on whether the blade displays some signs of watering or wootz. The last photo of the original post shows what I would characterize as wootz, but perhaps this is not known on Moro origin pieces, and is reflective of other forging used on Moro barong blades. Regards LL |
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18th December 2016, 09:40 PM | #4 |
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I attach a photo from the original poster highlighted. This to me, from this photo, looks like strong contrast kara taban wootz.
I've seen quite a few Moro pieces, and though not an expert in that region, cannot say I've seen similar lamination on those kinds of sword, or quite frankly many other blades that are laminated as opposed to watered. Perhaps Asian Paladin can post some more images of this part of the blade. One would imagine that if Indonesian parangs were mounted with Persian or Indian wootz blades and that Moro smiths were skilled enough to make exceptional quality twistcore then a wootz forged blade would be in the realm of possibility. If combining that with the fact that barongs often had Chinese smith forged blades and there is strong evidence of the Chinese using wootz billets to make blades then could such an exceptional, perhaps Datu's barong, have been forged with wootz to signify the importance of the owner? |
18th December 2016, 11:17 PM | #5 |
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I have cleaned and etched the blade with ascetic acid. That part in question was actually just dirt. The lamination pattern on the naga barong was random, somewhat unremarkable. However it is a shandigan blade, the first in my collection, and I am very happy about it. The bottom barong in my barong group photo has a double-edged, hollow ground blade.
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18th December 2016, 11:30 PM | #6 |
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Arms and Antiques,
I have not seen any evidence of wootz used in Moro weapons or heard of it being reported. If such a thing did occur it would be extremely rare. As I look at the pictures of the cleaned blade, I'm not seeing anything that would suggest wootz. Some older Moro pieces were treated by collectors with various agents, including cosmoline, to prevent rust. These sometimes produced patterns on blades that were removed with the cleaning of the blade. I wonder if something similar occurred here. Ian. |
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For Arms and Antiques, here are pictures of the same side of the blade all cleaned up and etched (it would have been great if the blade turned out to be wootz but all is good the way it is).
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the lamination would come out much better when you polish the blade better IMVHO. Regards, Detlef |
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I've made a quick word search and I've not seen this example below bought to these pages, so I've added it to this thread being the first one of a few within the forum that I found.... Sir Stamford Raffles collection.
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WW!
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27th November 2023, 12:16 PM | #12 |
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Outstanding example Gavin. Is this one in your collection?
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