MOST DESIRED WAR CLUBS MID AND SOUTH AMERICA

VANDOO · 17th September 2016, 06:53 AM

#. 1. SHIPIBO CLUB AND TWO PADDLES
#2. MACUATHUITL 24 IN. MADE FROM A SWORDFISH BILL.
#3., #4., #5. & #6. MACUATHUITL 39 INCHES DETAIL
#7. MEXICO CIRCA 1500 DRAWING FROM AN OLD BOOK

VANDOO · 19th September 2016, 02:34 AM

THE SHIPIBO/CONIBO TRIBES DO HAVE SOME VARIATIONS IN THEIR CLUBS PERHAPS REGIONAL OR VARIATIONS OVER TIME.
#1. THRU #5. SAID TO BE CONIBO CLUBS CIRCA 1900'S RANGING IN SIZE FROM 140 TO 135 CM. LONG AND 14 TO 18.5 CM WIDE THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE I THE TIP FROM THE SHIPIBO FORM AND ONE PICTURE IS OF AN UNFINISHED CLUB. THE GRIP AREA IS NOT PICTURED WELL ENOUGH TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY VARIATION THERE. ONE EXAMPLE IS AF A VERY ORNATE FORM LIKELY TO SHOW PRESTIGE IN THE TRIBE AND FOR CEREMONY.
#6. & #7. SHIPIBO, PART OF THE CHAMA CULTURE EARLY 1900'S PERU,130 X 11.5 X 3 CM. AND 152 X 15 X 3 CM.
#8. WAS IDENTIFIED AS SHETEBO TRIBE, FROM THE BAJO UCAYALI RIVER, PERU, 1900'S, 131 X 17.5 X 2.5 CM. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DIFFERENT GROUP OR A DIFFERENT SPELLING DUE TO REGION AND TIME.

VANDOO · 19th September 2016, 02:54 AM

THE MACANA IS A SHORT HEAVY CLUB WITH SORT OF AN HOURGLASS SHAPE SOMETIMES MOUNTED WITH A STONE BLADE BUT OFTEN WITH NONE. IT IS USED BY THE CARIB , KALINA AND RELATED TRIBES IN GUIANA. THE BRITISH AND THE DUTCH BOTH COLONIZED IN GUIANA SO NO DOUBT A FEW CLUBS AND WEAPONS WENT HOME WITH THEM. NOTE THAT SOME OF THE MACANA CLUBS ARE NOT SQUARE ON THE STRIKING END BUT MORE OF A FLAT BLADE FORM. i DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A TERM DIFFERENTIATING THESE TWO FORMS. THERE ARE OTHER CLUBS PICTURED ON THE BOOK PLATES WITH THE MACANA CLUBS THAT I WILL COVER LATER.
#1. A OLD PLATE SHOWING KALINA AND CARIB WEAPONS
#2. A SELECTION OF GUIANA CLUBS
#3. WARRIORS WITH MACANA IN GUIANA
#4. DRAWING OF WARRIOR WITH WEAPONS AND A MACANA
#5. SEVERAL MACANA CLUBS TWO INSET WITH STONE BLADES OFTEN
REFERRED TO AS CELTS.
#6 MACANA BRITISH GUIANA 19TH. CENTURY ARAWAK TRIBE 44X12 X7.5 CM.
#7. MACANA
# 8. GUIANA OR BRAZIL MACANA CLUB
#9. 1800'S MACANA, GUYANA BRAZIL BORDER 18 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG
#10. MACANA
#11. MACANA GUIANA, COLLECTED 1940'S, CARIB TRIBE
#12. MACANA DUTCH GUIANA COLLECTED 1928, CARIB TRIBE, 37 X 7.5 X 7 CM. COTTON CORD DECORATED WITH JAGUAR MOLARS.

VANDOO · 19th September 2016, 03:31 AM

MACANA CLUBS #1., #2. & #3. MACANA 11 X 2.5 INCHES
#4. MACANA WITH STONE BLADE
#5. MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES PERHAPS OF THE FLAT FORM.
# 6. MACANA CLUB, IT MAY HAVE A METAL BLADE

VANDOO · 22nd September 2016, 11:59 PM

A FEW MORE MACANA CLUBS, I HOPE MACANA IS THE LOCAL NAME OF THIS FORM OF CLUB AND NOT JUST THE WORD CLUB.I HAVE FOUND SEVERAL OTHER FORMS OF WEAPONS REFERRED TO AS MACANA SO IF SOMEONE HAS THE ANSWER PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

ON FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS THE TERM MACANA IS A TAINO TERM FOR WOODEN WEAPONS CLUBS AND EVEN A MACANA SPEAR. I HAVE SEEN THE TERM APUTU IN A POST ON THE HOURGLASS SHAPED CLUBS I HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO AS MACANA IN THIS POST. THERE IS ANOTHER NAME FOR CLUBS FROM THE GUINANA AREA SAPAKANA BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH FORM IT REFERS TO.?

#1. MACANA CIRCA 1886, BRITISH GUIANA
#2., #3. & #4. A CLUB WITH INTERESTING DESIGNS SOLD BY ASHOKA ARTS IN THE PAST.
#5. MACANA ARAWAK GUIANA LATE 18TH TO EARLY 19TH. CENTURY
#6. A BETTER PICTURE OF THE MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES
#7. VARIATIONS OF MACANA CLUBS PICTURE FROM A COLLECTION POSTED IN THE OLD POST. THE FIRST LINK POSTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS TOPIC..

#8. THRU #11 MACHUTIL REPLICAS AND ART.
#12. SHIPIBO CLUB COLLECTED 1923 UCAYALI RIVER PERU ASHANINKA TRIBE OVER 1.5 METERS LONG.

VANDOO · 23rd September 2016, 05:04 PM

HERE IS ANOTHER FORM OF CLUB FROM THE REGION INCLUDING GUIANA. THERE IS MORE VARIATION IN THIS FORM OF CLUB THAN IN THE PREVIOUS HOUR GLASS SHAPED FORM I HAVE REFERRED TO AS MACANA.
#1., #2. & #3. AN EXAMPLE SAID TO BE FROM THE 18TH. CENTURY
#4. & #5. GUIANA / NORTH BRAZIL 25.5 X 4 INCHES
#6. & #7. & #11. PICTURES IF A COLLECTION OF THIS FORM OF CLUB FROM TIM'S POST AN AMAZON CLUBS SEE FIRST LINK IN THIS POST FOR MORE INFORMATION.
#8., #9.,#10 . MAQUIRITARE TRIBE 29 3/4 X 7 3/4 INCHES, UPPER CAURA RIVER, SOUTH VENEZUELA,COLLECTED BY MISSIONARIES 1950
#12. YEKUANA TRIBE, VENEZUELA 30 INCHES LONG. THIS IS A MORE RECENT CLUB OF THIS TYPE. NOT SURE IF VENEZUELA IS ITS ORIGIN BUT IT WAS LISTED AS SUCH.

BELOW IS A HELPFUL QUOTE FROM THE POST COVERING THE EXCEPTIONAL COLLECTION OF THESE FORMS OF CLUBS.

The hour-glass ones, you mean the Aputu?

They're mainly from the Carib and Arawak tribes. Caribs including island Carib, Kali'na, Ye'kwana, etc. and the related Makushi and other groups. The whole Guianas region had these clubs (French Guinana, Suriname, and Guyana).

I'm not sure about carvings or painting or designs denoting rank or tribal affiliation but I do know in more recent times there have been ones of poorer quality for tourism, or smaller seemingly less combat effective ones probably for dance... but all the really old ones seem at least 15-16" or a little more and made of quality hardwoods.

VANDOO · 25th September 2016, 01:05 AM

#1. TRIBES MAN FROM BRITISH GUIANA
#2. THRU #8 KAYAPO TRIBE BRAZIL
#9. KAYAPO CLUB 1.35 METERS LONG, GUYANA, FLUTED FORM RATHER THAN THE USUAL SMOOTH FORM.
#10. KAYAPO FLUTED POMMEL SMOOTH SHAFT AND STRIKING END.
#11. KAYAPO OR TXUKAHANAI TRIBE, COLLECTED 1970, 114 X 10.2 CM.
#12. KAYAPO CLUB

17th September 2016, 06:53 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#. 1. SHIPIBO CLUB AND TWO PADDLES #2. MACUATHUITL 24 IN. MADE FROM A SWORDFISH BILL. #3., #4., #5. & #6. MACUATHUITL 39 INCHES DETAIL #7. MEXICO CIRCA 1500 DRAWING FROM AN OLD BOOK Attached Images

19th September 2016, 02:34 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE SHIPIBO/CONIBO TRIBES DO HAVE SOME VARIATIONS IN THEIR CLUBS PERHAPS REGIONAL OR VARIATIONS OVER TIME. #1. THRU #5. SAID TO BE CONIBO CLUBS CIRCA 1900'S RANGING IN SIZE FROM 140 TO 135 CM. LONG AND 14 TO 18.5 CM WIDE THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE I THE TIP FROM THE SHIPIBO FORM AND ONE PICTURE IS OF AN UNFINISHED CLUB. THE GRIP AREA IS NOT PICTURED WELL ENOUGH TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY VARIATION THERE. ONE EXAMPLE IS AF A VERY ORNATE FORM LIKELY TO SHOW PRESTIGE IN THE TRIBE AND FOR CEREMONY. #6. & #7. SHIPIBO, PART OF THE CHAMA CULTURE EARLY 1900'S PERU,130 X 11.5 X 3 CM. AND 152 X 15 X 3 CM. #8. WAS IDENTIFIED AS SHETEBO TRIBE, FROM THE BAJO UCAYALI RIVER, PERU, 1900'S, 131 X 17.5 X 2.5 CM. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DIFFERENT GROUP OR A DIFFERENT SPELLING DUE TO REGION AND TIME. Attached Images

19th September 2016, 02:54 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE MACANA IS A SHORT HEAVY CLUB WITH SORT OF AN HOURGLASS SHAPE SOMETIMES MOUNTED WITH A STONE BLADE BUT OFTEN WITH NONE. IT IS USED BY THE CARIB , KALINA AND RELATED TRIBES IN GUIANA. THE BRITISH AND THE DUTCH BOTH COLONIZED IN GUIANA SO NO DOUBT A FEW CLUBS AND WEAPONS WENT HOME WITH THEM. NOTE THAT SOME OF THE MACANA CLUBS ARE NOT SQUARE ON THE STRIKING END BUT MORE OF A FLAT BLADE FORM. i DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A TERM DIFFERENTIATING THESE TWO FORMS. THERE ARE OTHER CLUBS PICTURED ON THE BOOK PLATES WITH THE MACANA CLUBS THAT I WILL COVER LATER. #1. A OLD PLATE SHOWING KALINA AND CARIB WEAPONS #2. A SELECTION OF GUIANA CLUBS #3. WARRIORS WITH MACANA IN GUIANA #4. DRAWING OF WARRIOR WITH WEAPONS AND A MACANA #5. SEVERAL MACANA CLUBS TWO INSET WITH STONE BLADES OFTEN REFERRED TO AS CELTS. #6 MACANA BRITISH GUIANA 19TH. CENTURY ARAWAK TRIBE 44X12 X7.5 CM. #7. MACANA # 8. GUIANA OR BRAZIL MACANA CLUB #9. 1800'S MACANA, GUYANA BRAZIL BORDER 18 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG #10. MACANA #11. MACANA GUIANA, COLLECTED 1940'S, CARIB TRIBE #12. MACANA DUTCH GUIANA COLLECTED 1928, CARIB TRIBE, 37 X 7.5 X 7 CM. COTTON CORD DECORATED WITH JAGUAR MOLARS. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 19th September 2016 at 03:34 AM.

19th September 2016, 03:31 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MACANA CLUBS #1., #2. & #3. MACANA 11 X 2.5 INCHES #4. MACANA WITH STONE BLADE #5. MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES PERHAPS OF THE FLAT FORM. # 6. MACANA CLUB, IT MAY HAVE A METAL BLADE Attached Images

22nd September 2016, 11:59 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE MACANA CLUBS, I HOPE MACANA IS THE LOCAL NAME OF THIS FORM OF CLUB AND NOT JUST THE WORD CLUB.I HAVE FOUND SEVERAL OTHER FORMS OF WEAPONS REFERRED TO AS MACANA SO IF SOMEONE HAS THE ANSWER PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ON FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS THE TERM MACANA IS A TAINO TERM FOR WOODEN WEAPONS CLUBS AND EVEN A MACANA SPEAR. I HAVE SEEN THE TERM APUTU IN A POST ON THE HOURGLASS SHAPED CLUBS I HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO AS MACANA IN THIS POST. THERE IS ANOTHER NAME FOR CLUBS FROM THE GUINANA AREA SAPAKANA BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH FORM IT REFERS TO.? #1. MACANA CIRCA 1886, BRITISH GUIANA #2., #3. & #4. A CLUB WITH INTERESTING DESIGNS SOLD BY ASHOKA ARTS IN THE PAST. #5. MACANA ARAWAK GUIANA LATE 18TH TO EARLY 19TH. CENTURY #6. A BETTER PICTURE OF THE MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES #7. VARIATIONS OF MACANA CLUBS PICTURE FROM A COLLECTION POSTED IN THE OLD POST. THE FIRST LINK POSTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS TOPIC.. #8. THRU #11 MACHUTIL REPLICAS AND ART. #12. SHIPIBO CLUB COLLECTED 1923 UCAYALI RIVER PERU ASHANINKA TRIBE OVER 1.5 METERS LONG. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 23rd September 2016 at 04:46 PM.

23rd September 2016, 05:04 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE IS ANOTHER FORM OF CLUB FROM THE REGION INCLUDING GUIANA. THERE IS MORE VARIATION IN THIS FORM OF CLUB THAN IN THE PREVIOUS HOUR GLASS SHAPED FORM I HAVE REFERRED TO AS MACANA. #1., #2. & #3. AN EXAMPLE SAID TO BE FROM THE 18TH. CENTURY #4. & #5. GUIANA / NORTH BRAZIL 25.5 X 4 INCHES #6. & #7. & #11. PICTURES IF A COLLECTION OF THIS FORM OF CLUB FROM TIM'S POST AN AMAZON CLUBS SEE FIRST LINK IN THIS POST FOR MORE INFORMATION. #8., #9.,#10 . MAQUIRITARE TRIBE 29 3/4 X 7 3/4 INCHES, UPPER CAURA RIVER, SOUTH VENEZUELA,COLLECTED BY MISSIONARIES 1950 #12. YEKUANA TRIBE, VENEZUELA 30 INCHES LONG. THIS IS A MORE RECENT CLUB OF THIS TYPE. NOT SURE IF VENEZUELA IS ITS ORIGIN BUT IT WAS LISTED AS SUCH. BELOW IS A HELPFUL QUOTE FROM THE POST COVERING THE EXCEPTIONAL COLLECTION OF THESE FORMS OF CLUBS. The hour-glass ones, you mean the Aputu? They're mainly from the Carib and Arawak tribes. Caribs including island Carib, Kali'na, Ye'kwana, etc. and the related Makushi and other groups. The whole Guianas region had these clubs (French Guinana, Suriname, and Guyana). I'm not sure about carvings or painting or designs denoting rank or tribal affiliation but I do know in more recent times there have been ones of poorer quality for tourism, or smaller seemingly less combat effective ones probably for dance... but all the really old ones seem at least 15-16" or a little more and made of quality hardwoods. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 23rd September 2016 at 10:29 PM.

25th September 2016, 01:05 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. TRIBES MAN FROM BRITISH GUIANA #2. THRU #8 KAYAPO TRIBE BRAZIL #9. KAYAPO CLUB 1.35 METERS LONG, GUYANA, FLUTED FORM RATHER THAN THE USUAL SMOOTH FORM. #10. KAYAPO FLUTED POMMEL SMOOTH SHAFT AND STRIKING END. #11. KAYAPO OR TXUKAHANAI TRIBE, COLLECTED 1970, 114 X 10.2 CM. #12. KAYAPO CLUB Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 25th September 2016 at 01:25 AM.