How does one hold a tulwar?

kronckew · 12th August 2015, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blue lander

With the kind of long draw cuts you do with a tulwar your forearm and fingers are going to be exposed no matter how you hold it (which is where the dhal comes in)

true, if you have a dhal with you. the use of bucklers like that in europe is frequently ignored by us modern pundits - a late medieval/early renaissance european swordsman would have likely had his buckler for much the same reasons. it is occasionally discussed here on the forum too.

note to self: you do not have a buckler in your collection. buy one.

further note back to self: OK, you find me the money.

sirupate · 12th August 2015, 06:09 PM

In these vids they appear to be using a standard grip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYf3f1r3iT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpwBm3iDSEo

kronckew · 12th August 2015, 06:42 PM

did not seem to be much actual bloodshed in the first video. old guy with a bit of a a gash to the skin. if they'd been serious i think there would be more body parts & fluids laying about.

made the mistake of giving a 'ninja' sword to my then 18 yr. old son. he of course drew it and started to flourish it about, hit the ceiling & dropped it on his arm, producing much the same cut. he never did that again.

in the 3 yootube tulwar videos, the last shows use of dhal/bucklers, the 3 attacking the onstructor have bucklers, and appear to be using a std. 4 finger inside the guard grip. the guy who is about to be disarmed seems to have his thumb more exposed tho. (te guy behind him had just been similarly disarmed, the instructor holding the resulting sword upside down.

sirupate · 12th August 2015, 06:48 PM

I've seen his demo's and had a few chats with him, mainly about the way they use the kukri, if I see him again I'll ask about the grip types, but as the picture shows he teaches and uses one of the two standard sabre grips.

blue lander · 12th August 2015, 08:30 PM

Isn't that fellows form of martial art an attempt at "reconstructing" Indian martial arts that were banned under the Raj? I wonder how definitive his interpretation should be considered

sirupate · 12th August 2015, 08:59 PM

I don't know if his stuff is reconstructed (like a lot of European MA) or he was taught it Blue Lander

Rafngard · 12th August 2015, 10:38 PM

Regarding the exposed thumb on the guy about to be disarmed, it's real easy to accidentally break someone's thumb in a disarm if they're holding on to tight. I suspect that's related.

Have fun,
Leif

12th August 2015, 06:42 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,167	did not seem to be much actual bloodshed in the first video. old guy with a bit of a a gash to the skin. if they'd been serious i think there would be more body parts & fluids laying about. made the mistake of giving a 'ninja' sword to my then 18 yr. old son. he of course drew it and started to flourish it about, hit the ceiling & dropped it on his arm, producing much the same cut. he never did that again. in the 3 yootube tulwar videos, the last shows use of dhal/bucklers, the 3 attacking the onstructor have bucklers, and appear to be using a std. 4 finger inside the guard grip. the guy who is about to be disarmed seems to have his thumb more exposed tho. (te guy behind him had just been similarly disarmed, the instructor holding the resulting sword upside down. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 12th August 2015 at 06:53 PM.

12th August 2015, 06:09 PM	#2
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	In these vids they appear to be using a standard grip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYf3f1r3iT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpwBm3iDSEo

12th August 2015, 06:48 PM	#4
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	I've seen his demo's and had a few chats with him, mainly about the way they use the kukri, if I see him again I'll ask about the grip types, but as the picture shows he teaches and uses one of the two standard sabre grips.

12th August 2015, 08:30 PM	#5
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	Isn't that fellows form of martial art an attempt at "reconstructing" Indian martial arts that were banned under the Raj? I wonder how definitive his interpretation should be considered

12th August 2015, 08:59 PM	#6
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	I don't know if his stuff is reconstructed (like a lot of European MA) or he was taught it Blue Lander

12th August 2015, 10:38 PM	#7
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 336	Regarding the exposed thumb on the guy about to be disarmed, it's real easy to accidentally break someone's thumb in a disarm if they're holding on to tight. I suspect that's related. Have fun, Leif