Moro Kris

punal · 14th December 2005, 03:19 AM

Moro Kris for comments please.

punal · 14th December 2005, 03:26 AM

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Provenance and age please.

Thanks,
Punal

nechesh · 14th December 2005, 03:54 AM

If i might respectfully point out Punal, you are looking for quite a bit of information about a number of swords based on rather vague photographs. Might i suggest that in order to avoid confusion and be able to provide more accurate information that you present these blades one at a time with better, more detailed photographs. I can tell you that the next to last one in the group photo (L to R) looks to be an example of what are sometimes referred to as "archaic" style keris that Cato assumed were 18th century swords.
BTW, the nature of the word provenance makes it somewhat difficult for any of us to provide for you. Provenance generally comes along with the piece itself. It might be an inscription of presentation on the sheath, a date engraved on the blade or a letter that supports the origin of the object. Something that proves date or origin. That would be very difficult for any of us to provde.

punal · 14th December 2005, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechesh

If i might respectfully point out Punal, you are looking for quite a bit of information about a number of swords based on rather vague photographs. Might i suggest that in order to avoid confusion and be able to provide more accurate information that you present these blades one at a time with better, more detailed photographs. I can tell you that the next to last one in the group photo (L to R) looks to be an example of what are sometimes referred to as "archaic" style keris that Cato assumed were 18th century swords.
BTW, the nature of the word provenance makes it somewhat difficult for any of us to provide for you. Provenance generally comes along with the piece itself. It might be an inscription of presentation on the sheath, a date engraved on the blade or a letter that supports the origin of the object. Something that proves date or origin. That would be very difficult for any of us to provde.

You're right Nechesh.
I am revising the whole thing, thanks.

Ian · 14th December 2005, 04:25 AM

Punal:

Nice kris. Better images would certainly be helpful.

The picture of Kris #2 is not loading.

Ian.

Alam Shah · 14th December 2005, 07:16 AM

Congratulations.

This blade looks awesome.
Looks 19th C to me.

zamboanga · 14th December 2005, 07:51 AM

Nice kris kabayan. I understand it has no scabbard?

MABAGANI · 14th December 2005, 09:39 AM

If I recall correctly before the revisions, they were all Tausug except for the one with the rounded pommel which was Maranao.
The first kris I'd call Tausug, mid 17th century, imho.

kai · 14th December 2005, 12:19 PM

Congrats for getting this really nice piece, Punal! I reckon you already gave it a light etch? (I didn't saw hints of the gorgeous pattern welding on the ebay pics although I expected it to be hidden by the polishing...)

I remember the blade was pretty long for an archaic kris - about 20"? What's the collected wisdom of the forumites - does this hint at a somewhat later piece (like second half of 18th c.) or how much do blade lengths vary already earlier in this period?

BTW, don't forget to put those other kris back online in separate threads - I'd love to see them, too!

Regards,
Kai

punal · 15th December 2005, 03:07 AM

Kai,
You're right the blade's length is 20", and no, I haven't touch the blade yet!
Still trying to figure out what type of etching solution to use. I also re-posted the swords that I deleted yesterday. I hope it's o.k.

Zamboanga,
Kumusta kabayan? yes, this kris did not have a scabbard, it would have been nice if it came w/ one.

kai · 15th December 2005, 09:31 AM

Hi Punal,

Quote:

Originally Posted by punal

Still trying to figure out what type of etching solution to use.

You could try brushing it with a little lime juice (neutralize by carefully rubbing with a baking soka slurry afterwards and oil well). However, the blade is in pretty good shape and I'd think thrice before working on it at all!

Quote:

I also re-posted the swords that I deleted yesterday.

Thanks, keep them coming!

Regards,
Kai

14th December 2005, 03:19 AM	#1
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Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Congratulations. This blade looks awesome. Looks 19th C to me. Last edited by Alam Shah; 15th December 2005 at 07:07 AM. Reason: ?

14th December 2005, 12:19 PM	#13
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Admins, can we get a drooling smiley, please? :D= Congrats for getting this really nice piece, Punal! I reckon you already gave it a light etch? (I didn't saw hints of the gorgeous pattern welding on the ebay pics although I expected it to be hidden by the polishing...) I remember the blade was pretty long for an archaic kris - about 20"? What's the collected wisdom of the forumites - does this hint at a somewhat later piece (like second half of 18th c.) or how much do blade lengths vary already earlier in this period? BTW, don't forget to put those other kris back online in separate threads - I'd love to see them, too! Regards, Kai

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14th December 2005, 03:54 AM	#7
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	If i might respectfully point out Punal, you are looking for quite a bit of information about a number of swords based on rather vague photographs. Might i suggest that in order to avoid confusion and be able to provide more accurate information that you present these blades one at a time with better, more detailed photographs. I can tell you that the next to last one in the group photo (L to R) looks to be an example of what are sometimes referred to as "archaic" style keris that Cato assumed were 18th century swords. BTW, the nature of the word provenance makes it somewhat difficult for any of us to provide for you. Provenance generally comes along with the piece itself. It might be an inscription of presentation on the sheath, a date engraved on the blade or a letter that supports the origin of the object. Something that proves date or origin. That would be very difficult for any of us to provde.

14th December 2005, 04:25 AM	#9
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,197	Punal: Nice kris. Better images would certainly be helpful. The picture of Kris #2 is not loading. Ian.

14th December 2005, 07:51 AM	#11
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	Nice kris kabayan. I understand it has no scabbard?

14th December 2005, 09:39 AM	#12
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	If I recall correctly before the revisions, they were all Tausug except for the one with the rounded pommel which was Maranao. The first kris I'd call Tausug, mid 17th century, imho.

15th December 2005, 03:07 AM	#14
punal Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 91	Kai, You're right the blade's length is 20", and no, I haven't touch the blade yet! Still trying to figure out what type of etching solution to use. I also re-posted the swords that I deleted yesterday. I hope it's o.k. Zamboanga, Kumusta kabayan? yes, this kris did not have a scabbard, it would have been nice if it came w/ one.