Bayonet marked with Spital

fernando · 4th September 2014, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kmaddock

...Yataghan style bayonets were across the nations ...
Britain had them on the Snider and enfield rifles ...

... As also in the Westley Richards ... at least in the versions exported to Portugal.

Kmaddock · 4th September 2014, 01:39 PM

Hi Fernando
a bit out side my comfort zone, but
I think Westley Richards were just contracted to Enfield to make the pattern 1853 Musket
commonly known as
Enfield pattern 1853, 3 Band rifle

Westley Richards were (and still are gunmakers) but I am unaware if they make an actual model rifle that was adopted by armies.
I am happy to be correct on this,
i would be interested to know if the bayonet was the same though as i am on the lookout for a Snider conversion rifle bayonet to match my Snider and a portugese version would be acceptable
regards
Ken

fernando · 4th September 2014, 03:27 PM

Hi Ken,
Westley Richards also had military comitments.
They even tried to introduce their pistol in the British Army, without success.
Their 'monkey tail' system became famous; following a couple flirts with the Portuguese Arsenal, patent allowance and all that, ended up with a contract of 1000 pistols to Portuguese Cavalry (the only existing quantity of the kind), besides a few thousand rifles and carbines.
Not so easy finding the correspondent (sword) bayonets.

.

Kmaddock · 4th September 2014, 04:49 PM

Hi Fernando
Thanks for extra Information
Ken

spiral · 4th September 2014, 09:17 PM

If only it said spiral! Id have to find one!

Interesting piece!

Spiral

NigelP · 4th October 2014, 12:49 PM

Hi all. Sorry not to follow this up sooner but have just returned from a three-week vacation

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Lots of interesting comments. I found this which is remarkably similar;

http://www.stewartsmilitaryantiques....9.archive.htm#

In answer to the comment about a T-section then yes it does look like a (waisted) T in cross-section behind the point region; ie it has a flat top to the blade.

No sign of "Klingenthal".

This blade is a little over 18" long ( a bit shorter than the one in the link above).

Any ideas about the name Spital? I didn't manage to trace this name on the web.

M ELEY · 5th October 2014, 04:20 AM

I made an error earlier with the 'Klingenthal' comment. Very tired these days-

What I meant to say was a French marking for the arsenal at St. Etaine, but you say there's no marking at all on the T-backed balde. Any signs that it has been sanded or rubbed off? The etchings are sometimes weak to begin with...

4th September 2014, 01:39 PM	#2
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 539	Hi Fernando a bit out side my comfort zone, but I think Westley Richards were just contracted to Enfield to make the pattern 1853 Musket commonly known as Enfield pattern 1853, 3 Band rifle Westley Richards were (and still are gunmakers) but I am unaware if they make an actual model rifle that was adopted by armies. I am happy to be correct on this, i would be interested to know if the bayonet was the same though as i am on the lookout for a Snider conversion rifle bayonet to match my Snider and a portugese version would be acceptable regards Ken

4th September 2014, 04:49 PM	#4
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 539	Hi Fernando Thanks for extra Information Ken

4th September 2014, 09:17 PM	#5
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	If only it said spiral! Id have to find one! Interesting piece! Spiral

4th October 2014, 12:49 PM	#6
NigelP Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 6	Hi all. Sorry not to follow this up sooner but have just returned from a three-week vacation . Lots of interesting comments. I found this which is remarkably similar; http://www.stewartsmilitaryantiques....9.archive.htm# In answer to the comment about a T-section then yes it does look like a (waisted) T in cross-section behind the point region; ie it has a flat top to the blade. No sign of "Klingenthal". This blade is a little over 18" long ( a bit shorter than the one in the link above). Any ideas about the name Spital? I didn't manage to trace this name on the web.

5th October 2014, 04:20 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,087	I made an error earlier with the 'Klingenthal' comment. Very tired these days- What I meant to say was a French marking for the arsenal at St. Etaine, but you say there's no marking at all on the T-backed balde. Any signs that it has been sanded or rubbed off? The etchings are sometimes weak to begin with...