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I acquired this Moro kris sword? a few weeks ago. Can anyone tell more about this sword? provenance and age may be?
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HI Punal.
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On what details is your assessment based (originating from the Jolo area vs. Sulu archipelago in general)? I haven't seen such an angled hilt with 20th (or even later 19th) century pieces. Is this an obsolete construction style or just very rare? I like this quite a bit (and am partial to "small" kakatua pommels anyway). How does it handle, Punal? Regards, Kai |
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Hi Punal,
Could you please give the dimensions for this nice kalis taluseko? You definitely want to give that blade a light acid etch to reveal the lamination and possibly other forging details. (I hope the seller didn't use power tools to "enhance" the blade! ![]() Regards, Kai |
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Hi there Kai,
Yes! that's the first thing I noticed when I first got it, the deep etch and there were also deep honing marks on the mid portion of the blade. It was also rust infested all over, I had to bath 'em lemon juice and used a super fine sanding paper everynight for a week just to remove the scrach marks and thickened rust. The asang-asang was also missing, and there was atleast a 2-3mm gap between the gangya and the blade. I did a few strokes of filing just to evens it out but, I had to stop, I do gun smithing not blade restoration, I'm afraid I might cause more damage to it. I also used a polishing paste to polish the edge of the blade, for a little enhancement. Dimensions, yes! I'm in no. cal. right now and I'm flying home tonite for Thanksgiving, I'll post it as soon as I get home. Battara! Thanks for the feeback on the sword! Happy holidays guys! Punal Last edited by punal; 23rd November 2005 at 04:42 PM. |
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I wonder, this sword has ron dha and greneng which is much more alike to keris blades than the Moro kris. Could this blade possible be of Malay origin?
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Sorry Nechesh ..
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No need to be sorry Rick....unless you mean for show me that sweet kris of yours again!
![]() Even so, the greneng on Punals example seems even more Malay than yours. Not sure if that really means anything. Then again, i'm sure that there might be someone out there (not me) who might argue a Malay origin for your example as well. ![]() |
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Easier to compare greneng like this .
Punal's example would not allow for a second asang asang . Also the greneng do not go as far down the blade . Or is it the difference in curvature ? |
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Hello Punal,
Did you remove the hilt? I'd be interested to know how the tang looks like... ![]() Quote:
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Welcome Buwaya. These terms technically apply to the Indonesian keris, not it's Moro cousin, but since these blades are so similar in form we can get away with using them. You can see them more closely compared in the last 2 photos that Rick posted. We are referring to the filed out shapes on both the main part of the blade and on the seperate piece (which is most often called the gangya on Moro kris and the gonjo or ganja on Indonesian keris). Hope that helps.
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Kai,
Sorry, I got home late trafic jam at the air port last night (Thanksgiving rush hour). I pictured the sword when it first arrived so I could compare the looks later on but unfortunately I was editing my sword photo files last week, I accidentally deleted a few photos thats including this sword's pics. I'll check my trash bin today, I hope I can still recover it! As for the hilt portion, yes, I had to remove it! there were thickened rust on the rod and its causing the wooden hilt to crack. I had to re-wrap the hilt also with its original torn cloth but on the inner portion, there was some kind of cleaner cloth with some writings on it, like an anting-anting may be? the original jute string wrap deteriorated, I had to replaced it with newer hemp strings. And Yes! I kind of dislike what i've done to the blade(enhancement) my self, I'll let Battara do the proper way, this sword is going for restoration alright. I sending it to him next week so he can perform all the necessary treatment like etching and other stuff. Here are the dimensions of the Kris: Over all length: 23 1/2" Blade alone w/ out the gangya: 18 1/2" Width: 1 1/2" Thickness of the blade no gangya: 1/4" Rod: 3" Hilt: 4 1/2" Thanks, Punal |
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