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4th January 2013, 08:20 AM
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AJAMI - Mahdist
according to my friend in Nigeria is the text of the sword Ajami (arabic with language of the Hausas of Nigeria)...
And now??? 
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4th January 2013, 08:32 AM
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i thought Ajami is Persian?
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4th January 2013, 10:51 AM
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Arabic stands for Non Arabic speaker/Non Arabic language etc
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4th January 2013, 11:17 AM
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Hi Regihis,
Are you referring to the kaskara here? http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16477 Just to make sure I understand you, is your friend saying the inscription is in Hausa language? Did he translate the text fully? Very interesting. 
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4th January 2013, 04:00 PM
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Yes Iain,
Hausa language, a native language of Nigeria in arabic alphabet. The sword of Baiajidda have Ajami script accordind to my friend. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5827 Is a tough process.. i dont speak english .  .. and I'll clean up a bit to make it more readable.. in a few days i go send news .. thank you!
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4th January 2013, 04:12 PM
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on another note, i dont believe that the sword is the true sword of the Hausa ancestor, Bayanjidda. The Hausa converted to islam in the 11th century and the ajami script began to be used by them , around the 15th century. while Bayanjidda, the ancestor of the Hausa people, existed way before the Hausa Bakwai, probably around 300 BC - 200 AD. also many Hausa are still not islamized, which includes the Maguzawa people. so i believe this sword was forged during the Sokoto Caliphate OR the script is not Ajami, but maybe an ancient Hausa script. |
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4th January 2013, 04:13 PM
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5th January 2013, 02:08 AM
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Course... dont is Sword of Baiajidda.. but equal the writing style of Mahdist sword of top. When I talk Sword Baiajidda I refer to an old post forum.
 
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5th January 2013, 08:21 AM
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I'm fairly familiar with Hausa and Ajami. I would be quite surprised if your kaskara is in Hausa for several reasons: a. Thuluth engraving is unknown in Nigeria outside of the Sword of Baiajidda and that is considered to originate outside of Nigeria (See Bivar, who wrote the article where you see the picture of the sword). b. The Sword of Baiajidda does not have inscriptions in Hausa but rather in Arabic. c. The kaskara hilt form is not used in Hausa regions, at least not regularly. While there are many of these little kaskara known all with similar inscriptions. Looking forward to hearing more of what your friend has to say.
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5th January 2013, 12:24 PM
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Words of my friend Aminu from Gusau:
"if u know ajami very will u i'll wright a letter wit any deference language in the world" is Ajami, not arabic!  I go answer to others and post reply here. Thank you! |
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5th January 2013, 06:58 PM
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Hi regihis,
I'm not questioning what your friend told you, just pointing out why a Hausa inscription would be odd. I believe the Borno region is the only area of Nigeria where the kaskara form is noted (Bivar). Bivar concludes that the blade from the sword of Baiajidda is from the nilotic regions of Sudan. I'm having a little trouble understanding what your friend is trying to say.  Is he able to translate what is written on the blade? I'm intrigued by all of this so please keep adding more info about the inscription when you can |
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7th January 2013, 03:02 AM
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Hi friends,
I sent the images of the sword to the Mosque of São Paulo and the teacher of arabic identificated the texts as NOT ARABIC. In arab language AJAMI is the word used for NOT ARAB. |
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7th January 2013, 08:25 AM
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The Sudanese dialect is usually quite difficult for other Arab speakers to read. See this post from Dom.http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...7&postcount=12 |
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