twistcore Keris for comment

Atlantia · 1st October 2012, 02:36 AM

Had to buy (again) covered in thick grease. Was the star pattern twistcore pamor that attracted me but I didn't expect the black stain to be so 'thick' after cleaning.
So what have I done this time?

Battara · 1st October 2012, 04:27 AM

Very nice. Is twistcore common for keris?

kai · 1st October 2012, 08:28 AM

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Is twistcore common for keris?

Hello Jose,

It's a well established pamor and not terribly rare - I have seen it more often with other small sidearms as well as swords though. With keris other miring type pamor patterns seem to be more common.

Regards,
Kai

kai · 1st October 2012, 08:44 AM

Hello Gene,

The whole ensemble looks Kamardikan (modern era) to me.

I'm used to seeing better pamor control from the Madurese bladesmiths - would be great if our greater Java specialists were to comment on this blade!

Regards,
Kai

A. G. Maisey · 1st October 2012, 09:20 AM

Yes its Madura, yes its not unusual, yes its not all that old, but I cannot tell how old, I'm not prepared to guess if its 1900, 1950, or 2000. No way I can tell from pics, and maybe not even in the hand.

But the original question was why it looks like it does after the stain. I can't answer that question either. My guess is that maybe it wasn't washed and dried sufficiently well between applications of lime juice and arsenic, and that it was done on a cloudy day, but it could be the material itself. I simply cannot tell from the pics.

Atlantia · 3rd October 2012, 06:34 PM

Jose, kai, Alan.

Thanks for the help chaps. Much appreciated.
Best
Gene

Jean · 3rd October 2012, 08:16 PM

The central pamor strip is in Lar Gangsir (cricket wing) style, I attach the picture of a recently made blade with this pamor.
Regards

Jean · 4th October 2012, 12:21 PM

As rightly noted by a fellow forumite this type of twisted pamor strip is called Dadung Muntir (twisted rope), sorry for the confusion.

Regards

1st October 2012, 02:36 AM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	twistcore Keris for comment Had to buy (again) covered in thick grease. Was the star pattern twistcore pamor that attracted me but I didn't expect the black stain to be so 'thick' after cleaning. So what have I done this time? Attached Images

3rd October 2012, 08:16 PM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	The central pamor strip is in Lar Gangsir (cricket wing) style, I attach the picture of a recently made blade with this pamor. Regards Attached Images

1st October 2012, 04:27 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Very nice. Is twistcore common for keris?

1st October 2012, 08:44 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Gene, The whole ensemble looks Kamardikan (modern era) to me. I'm used to seeing better pamor control from the Madurese bladesmiths - would be great if our greater Java specialists were to comment on this blade! Regards, Kai

1st October 2012, 09:20 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Yes its Madura, yes its not unusual, yes its not all that old, but I cannot tell how old, I'm not prepared to guess if its 1900, 1950, or 2000. No way I can tell from pics, and maybe not even in the hand. But the original question was why it looks like it does after the stain. I can't answer that question either. My guess is that maybe it wasn't washed and dried sufficiently well between applications of lime juice and arsenic, and that it was done on a cloudy day, but it could be the material itself. I simply cannot tell from the pics.

3rd October 2012, 06:34 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Jose, kai, Alan. Thanks for the help chaps. Much appreciated. Best Gene

4th October 2012, 12:21 PM	#8
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	As rightly noted by a fellow forumite this type of twisted pamor strip is called Dadung Muntir (twisted rope), sorry for the confusion. Regards