Yet another gunong for comment

Sajen · 27th September 2012, 07:12 PM

Hello,

it seems that it is gunong time!

Have won this mislabeled gunong with MOP handle, the seller stated that the fittings are from silver. Since we have had recently a discussion about the age of this daggers it would be from great interest for me what you think how old this one is. My guess: 1920-1930

Here the link and the pictures: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vint...vip=true&rt=nc

Atlantia · 27th September 2012, 07:34 PM

What an attractive piece. It has an almost pesh-kabz shape.

Ferguson · 27th September 2012, 09:21 PM

Very pretty hilt!
Steve

Battara · 28th September 2012, 03:00 AM

I would agree with you - 1930s? Exact dates are difficult for these.

Lew · 28th September 2012, 01:06 PM

MOP sweet.

Congrats

Lew

Battara · 28th September 2012, 03:26 PM

It may even be early 1940s - MOP was a later development.

Hope you etch the blade to see if there is any lamination.

David · 28th September 2012, 05:00 PM

Do you guys think this is the original sheath. Usually when i see silver ferruled gunongs the fittings on the sheath are also silver....and the gunong does not seem to fit into this sheath fully. Seems a mismatch to me...

David · 28th September 2012, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

It may even be early 1940s - MOP was a later development.

Was there much manufacture of these in the early 40s. I would think that WWII and the Japanese invasion would have squashed that.

Sajen · 28th September 2012, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Do you guys think this is the original sheath. Usually when i see silver ferruled gunongs the fittings on the sheath are also silver....and the gunong does not seem to fit into this sheath fully. Seems a mismatch to me...

Hi David,

would agree at this point. I don't think that it is the original sheath, never have seen a bamboo sheath before. Will tell you when I have received it if the blade fit good inside.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 28th September 2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

What an attractive piece. It has an almost pesh-kabz shape.

Hi Gene,

the blade shape and the handle from MOP was what let me bid.

Best,

Detlef

Sajen · 28th September 2012, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferguson

Very pretty hilt!
Steve

Hello Steve and Lew,

thank's, Detlef

Sajen · 28th September 2012, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

It may even be early 1940s - MOP was a later development.

Hope you etch the blade to see if there is any lamination.

Hi Jose,

yes, will etch the blade. The elongated handle and the thin bulbous midsection let me think that it is more early. You don't think that the midsection would be more bulgy by a 1940s gunong?

Best,

Detlef

Battara · 28th September 2012, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

You don't think that the midsection would be more bulgy by a 1940s gunong?

That is a good point. Usually the bulbous midsection gets bigger as time goes on. However, the use of MOP on this scale was a later development.

As I said 1930s at the earliest and 1940s at the latest.

One other possibility - the MOP pommel is a replacement at a later time than the midsection.

Also most of these seem to come out of Mindanao. However the lack of okir makes me wonder if this is from the Sulu region.

Sajen · 29th September 2012, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

That is a good point. Usually the bulbous midsection gets bigger as time goes on. However, the use of MOP on this scale was a later development.

As I said 1930s at the earliest and 1940s at the latest.

One other possibility - the MOP pommel is a replacement at a later time than the midsection.

Also most of these seem to come out of Mindanao. However the lack of okir makes me wonder if this is from the Sulu region.

Thank you for clarification, this is a possibility since the sheath seems to be later as well. That it could be Sulu is an interesting point.

Best,

Detlef

Nirghosa · 2nd October 2012, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi David,

would agree at this point. I don't think that it is the original sheath, never have seen a bamboo sheath before. Will tell you when I have received it if the blade fit good inside.

Regards,

Detlef

Bamboo or is it perhaps Rattan instead?

Sajen · 2nd October 2012, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirghosa

Bamboo or is it perhaps Rattan instead?

Think it is bamboo but can't confirm without fail since I don't have received it until now. Seller stated it is bamboo.

Sajen · 13th October 2012, 11:18 AM

Have received it and so it look after some maintain.

Indianajones · 13th October 2012, 12:18 PM

Wow Sajen, now that is a lovely piece! Love the knife itself perhaps a bit more than the scabbard. Can tell you that it takes a long time and much handling to obtain such a nice warm "golden" hue on the Mother of pearl handle. Also the siver ferrule looks quite old (bit older than 1930's to me!). Quite a jewel!

Am not an expert on these but would almost say that the knife would deserve a slight better scabbard (dark wood, silver bands?). But this scabbard is certainly also good n old n authentic.
>yes the scabbard is from bamboo; very strong material and perhaps better than wood to use, though visually perhaps a bit less 'pleasing'.

Greets

Sajen · 13th October 2012, 02:07 PM

Thank you Wouter,

I am as well very pleased by my purchase!

Agree with you about the scabbard, maybe it's an old replacement because the original one was lost, who knows? But the scabbard is well worked and seems to be made for the blade and with the polished up brass it looks nice enough.

BTW, the blade seems to be laminated, will etch it by time.

Best,

Detlef

Robert · 13th October 2012, 05:04 PM

Hello Detlef, All that I can say is WOW

and then add my congratulations on this very beautiful gunong that you have added to you collection. I have been waiting to post until you have received it so you would be able to post some better pictures that would show how nice it really is. Again my congratulation on your win. I am very envious.

Regards,
Robert

Sajen · 13th October 2012, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Hello Detlef, All that I can say is WOW

and then add my congratulations on this very beautiful gunong that you have added to you collection. I have been waiting to post until you have received it so you would be able to post some better pictures that would show how nice it really is. Again my congratulation on your win. I am very envious.

Regards,
Robert

Thank you very much for your kind words!

I think we both have a good eye for the ebay sleepers.

Regards,

Detlef

David R · 13th October 2012, 05:45 PM

A very nice piece. Alas us Brits are not trusted to buy blades on ebay.

Sajen · 13th October 2012, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David R

A very nice piece. Alas us Brits are not trusted to buy blades on ebay.

Thank you David.

And yes, ebay is a crazy platform. Here in Germany it's not possible to look to listings where is written WW II.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 14th October 2012, 02:04 PM

Have just given a mild etch to the blade and it showing a very nice lamination. Like you know is it a little bit difficult to show it by pictures but I think it is to seen.

So, what you think Jose?

Regards,

Detlef

Battara · 15th October 2012, 03:25 AM

I like it - glad and good sign that it is laminated.

Ferguson · 16th October 2012, 01:18 AM

Lovely pattern on a nice knife.
Steve

Sajen · 16th October 2012, 05:06 PM

Thank you Jose and Steve!

ThePepperSkull · 16th October 2012, 08:03 PM

Wow, detlef, she's beautiful!

Sajen · 16th October 2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

Wow, detlef, she's beautiful!

Yes, and I fall really in love with her!

I every time have to take her in my hand and play with her.

Robert · 17th October 2012, 12:27 AM

Kinky !!!

27th September 2012, 07:12 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Yet another gunong for comment Hello, it seems that it is gunong time! Have won this mislabeled gunong with MOP handle, the seller stated that the fittings are from silver. Since we have had recently a discussion about the age of this daggers it would be from great interest for me what you think how old this one is. My guess: 1920-1930 Here the link and the pictures: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vint...vip=true&rt=nc Attached Images

13th October 2012, 11:18 AM	#17
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Have received it and so it look after some maintain. Attached Images

14th October 2012, 02:04 PM	#24
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Have just given a mild etch to the blade and it showing a very nice lamination. Like you know is it a little bit difficult to show it by pictures but I think it is to seen. So, what you think Jose? Regards, Detlef Attached Images

27th September 2012, 07:34 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	What an attractive piece. It has an almost pesh-kabz shape.

27th September 2012, 09:21 PM	#3
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Very pretty hilt! Steve

28th September 2012, 03:00 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I would agree with you - 1930s? Exact dates are difficult for these.

28th September 2012, 01:06 PM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	MOP sweet. Congrats Lew

28th September 2012, 03:26 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	It may even be early 1940s - MOP was a later development. Hope you etch the blade to see if there is any lamination.

28th September 2012, 05:00 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,115	Do you guys think this is the original sheath. Usually when i see silver ferruled gunongs the fittings on the sheath are also silver....and the gunong does not seem to fit into this sheath fully. Seems a mismatch to me...

13th October 2012, 12:18 PM	#18
Indianajones Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 180	Wow Sajen, now that is a lovely piece! Love the knife itself perhaps a bit more than the scabbard. Can tell you that it takes a long time and much handling to obtain such a nice warm "golden" hue on the Mother of pearl handle. Also the siver ferrule looks quite old (bit older than 1930's to me!). Quite a jewel! Am not an expert on these but would almost say that the knife would deserve a slight better scabbard (dark wood, silver bands?). But this scabbard is certainly also good n old n authentic. >yes the scabbard is from bamboo; very strong material and perhaps better than wood to use, though visually perhaps a bit less 'pleasing'. Greets

13th October 2012, 02:07 PM	#19
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Thank you Wouter, I am as well very pleased by my purchase! Agree with you about the scabbard, maybe it's an old replacement because the original one was lost, who knows? But the scabbard is well worked and seems to be made for the blade and with the polished up brass it looks nice enough. BTW, the blade seems to be laminated, will etch it by time. Best, Detlef

13th October 2012, 05:04 PM	#20
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, All that I can say is WOW and then add my congratulations on this very beautiful gunong that you have added to you collection. I have been waiting to post until you have received it so you would be able to post some better pictures that would show how nice it really is. Again my congratulation on your win. I am very envious. Regards, Robert

13th October 2012, 05:45 PM	#22
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	A very nice piece. Alas us Brits are not trusted to buy blades on ebay.

15th October 2012, 03:25 AM	#25
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I like it - glad and good sign that it is laminated.

16th October 2012, 01:18 AM	#26
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Lovely pattern on a nice knife. Steve

16th October 2012, 05:06 PM	#27
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Thank you Jose and Steve!

16th October 2012, 08:03 PM	#28
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	Wow, detlef, she's beautiful!

17th October 2012, 12:27 AM	#30
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Kinky !!!