Wheellock pistols (17th century)

Jean-Marc S. · 7th August 2012, 06:08 PM

Hello,

Any information on this pair of wheellock pistols (German mid-17th ?) ?

Thanks,

jm

Dom · 8th August 2012, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Marc S.

Any information on this pair of wheellock pistols (German mid-17th ?)

Hi JM ...
could looks like, wheel-lock pistol made in Germany (Augsburg? Nuremberg? Brunswick?)
mid 16th century (1550/60)

really beautiful, if it's yours, sincerest congratulations

à +

Dom

Jean-Marc S. · 8th August 2012, 07:36 AM

Thanks Dom. Unfortunately, they are not mine !

Jean-Marc S. · 29th August 2012, 07:49 PM

Hello,

When in hands, it finally appears that this is a pair of outstanding wheellock pistol replicas (possibly made in turkey or afghanistan ?) !!!
Be careful as the quality is overall impressive except metal parts that were acid treated (and of lesser quality) and helped to spot the fakes ....

Dom · 30th August 2012, 12:00 AM

Aïe, aïe Jean-Marc
it starts to become really a poison, all these copies ... without mention that it's just replicas

not only "Turkey or Afghanistan" (in Turkey, manpower too much expensive),
but "China, Pakistan, India,
in India I know one, but honest, he sells his replicas, as replicas ... i.e.; Islamic Astrolabes, for instance

they have very skilled workers able to made a perfect copy as far as they have a model
and then, the problems are;
- sometimes, the materials used are of lower quality, that to increase the margin profit
- they privilege industrial technology instead of manual fabrications, for the same reasons

conclusions; from far ... it's looks antic, but when they arrive home, it's a complete disillusion

since two or three years, I'm confused with "Islamic talismanic bowls", replicas from Indian continent,
sold as originals, but I found a way to differentiate with a probability of 90%
but it's still annoying

à +

Dom

Matchlock · 30th August 2012, 02:41 PM

Hi Jean-Marc,

It is only now that I noticed your thread.

This is a characteristic pair of Historismus decorative pistols (Victorian copies) which clearly show a crude mix of different styles, based on ca. 1630's plain and undecorated horseman's pistols (form of the locks, barrels and stocks) combined with 'puffer style' ball butts that would be typical of the 1570's.
The stock inlay is mere fantasy and the barrel marks and decoration revoke 18th and 19th c. East European paragons.
I am convinced that none of the parts is original and that the inside mechanism, especially the quality of the springs, is of decorative nature only.

Best,
Michael

7th August 2012, 06:08 PM	#1
Jean-Marc S. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: France Posts: 104	Wheellock pistols (17th century) Hello, Any information on this pair of wheellock pistols (German mid-17th ?) ? Thanks, jm Attached Images

29th August 2012, 07:49 PM	#4
Jean-Marc S. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: France Posts: 104	Well made replicas ! Hello, When in hands, it finally appears that this is a pair of outstanding wheellock pistol replicas (possibly made in turkey or afghanistan ?) !!! Be careful as the quality is overall impressive except metal parts that were acid treated (and of lesser quality) and helped to spot the fakes ....

8th August 2012, 07:36 AM	#3
Jean-Marc S. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: France Posts: 104	Thanks Dom. Unfortunately, they are not mine !

30th August 2012, 12:00 AM	#5
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Aïe, aïe Jean-Marc it starts to become really a poison, all these copies ... without mention that it's just replicas not only "Turkey or Afghanistan" (in Turkey, manpower too much expensive), but "China, Pakistan, India, in India I know one, but honest, he sells his replicas, as replicas ... i.e.; Islamic Astrolabes, for instance they have very skilled workers able to made a perfect copy as far as they have a model and then, the problems are; - sometimes, the materials used are of lower quality, that to increase the margin profit - they privilege industrial technology instead of manual fabrications, for the same reasons conclusions; from far ... it's looks antic, but when they arrive home, it's a complete disillusion since two or three years, I'm confused with "Islamic talismanic bowls", replicas from Indian continent, sold as originals, but I found a way to differentiate with a probability of 90% but it's still annoying à + Dom

30th August 2012, 02:41 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jean-Marc, It is only now that I noticed your thread. This is a characteristic pair of Historismus decorative pistols (Victorian copies) which clearly show a crude mix of different styles, based on ca. 1630's plain and undecorated horseman's pistols (form of the locks, barrels and stocks) combined with 'puffer style' ball butts that would be typical of the 1570's. The stock inlay is mere fantasy and the barrel marks and decoration revoke 18th and 19th c. East European paragons. I am convinced that none of the parts is original and that the inside mechanism, especially the quality of the springs, is of decorative nature only. Best, Michael