BLUNDERBUSS FROM YORK MAIL

spiral · 28th February 2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

Jonathan,

Wouldn't you think that if all these examples were "fake" as you (IMO erroneously) are so quick to claim, that maybe... just maybe, someone - just one person - might have gone on record stating as much?

The first example I posted was, as I wrote, originally posted on BF, and is from a museum-quality collection owned by an esteemed collector. Don't you think BRL would have chimed in if he had found the example to be anything less than authentic? When has he ever not?

Flayderman also shows multiple documented examples of pre-Civil War knives in his treatise on the Bowie knife (link here), made in Sheffield, for the American market, that clearly show the use of a sans serif font.

Once again - if you can find me one... just one example of a "fake" imported knock-off that executed the well-known "U*S" trademark as present and as it appears on my example, I will very seriously consider sending you the knife. For free. Of course, you will understand if I don't hold my breath, as such as example will not be forthcoming.

Again, I believe the evidence in support of the use of sans serif fonts in England by the mid-19th century is insurmountable. Anyway, I will expand further in the new thread dedicated to this discussion, here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...779#post134779

Regards,

Chris

The point of suggesting the new thread Chris was to stop the Hijacking.

sorry Cerjak...

spiral

laEspadaAncha · 28th February 2012, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spiral

The point of suggesting the new thread Chris was to stop the Hijacking.

sorry Cerjak...

spiral

The relevance of the establishment of the use of a sans serif font, while I agree is deserving of its own thread, is nonetheless entirely relevant to this thread for the aforementioned reasons.

Cerjak · 2nd March 2012, 04:41 PM

You was right and as usually Fernando your felling was good .
After had removed some screw now I have many evidences to confirm yours opinion that it was a XXI th Century production and you could see it with those photos .( sorry for quality but enough to see)
This afternoon I will send back to this auction company who had sold me as "royal mail Blunderbuss from the 19 th century from the city of York"
AGAIN THANK YOU !
CERJAK

fernando · 2nd March 2012, 05:57 PM

Oh, it is a great thing you can have it returned and recuperate your money

Let's have a drink to that

.

Cerjak · 2nd March 2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Oh, it is a great thing you can have it returned and recuperate your money

Let's have a drink to that

.

why not, as you know France it is the country of Champagne !!

Jim McDougall · 2nd March 2012, 09:46 PM

Cerjak, I would like to thank you very much for your gentlemanly reception of the unfortunately very accurate assessment of this gun, which has has proven to be a modern commercial product. I am glad to hear that the auction company has taken a noble stance on accepting return, however I hope they will look further into providing more accurate descriptions in their offerings.
I also thank you for sharing detailed photos of the elements of this gun, which gives us all a very good lesson on the spurious items out there and what to look for. This item has also led to a fascinating discussion, as well as a great spin off on the very important topic of the use of serifs on stamped fonts, beautifully handled by Chris and Spiral.

Gentleman, an extremely impressive turn out on this, thank you all so much. I know Ive certainly learned a lot on these fascinating blunderbuss guns!

All the very best,
Jim

Rick · 2nd March 2012, 11:41 PM

You have to wonder when the point of diminishing return is reached by forgers of pieces like this .

Where would stuff like this be manufactured ?

2nd March 2012, 04:41 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	This blunderbuss was a fake ! You was right and as usually Fernando your felling was good . After had removed some screw now I have many evidences to confirm yours opinion that it was a XXI th Century production and you could see it with those photos .( sorry for quality but enough to see) This afternoon I will send back to this auction company who had sold me as "royal mail Blunderbuss from the 19 th century from the city of York" AGAIN THANK YOU ! CERJAK Attached Images

2nd March 2012, 05:57 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Oh, it is a great thing you can have it returned and recuperate your money Let's have a drink to that .

2nd March 2012, 09:46 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,943	Cerjak, I would like to thank you very much for your gentlemanly reception of the unfortunately very accurate assessment of this gun, which has has proven to be a modern commercial product. I am glad to hear that the auction company has taken a noble stance on accepting return, however I hope they will look further into providing more accurate descriptions in their offerings. I also thank you for sharing detailed photos of the elements of this gun, which gives us all a very good lesson on the spurious items out there and what to look for. This item has also led to a fascinating discussion, as well as a great spin off on the very important topic of the use of serifs on stamped fonts, beautifully handled by Chris and Spiral. Gentleman, an extremely impressive turn out on this, thank you all so much. I know Ive certainly learned a lot on these fascinating blunderbuss guns! All the very best, Jim

2nd March 2012, 11:41 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	You have to wonder when the point of diminishing return is reached by forgers of pieces like this . Where would stuff like this be manufactured ?