Aura Photographic on Kris

nechesh · 21st August 2005, 05:28 PM

Hi Purwacarita. I assure you, no offense was taken with your post on that other thread.

I'm still not quite sure i see why you consider this a feminine (yoni) power and not a masculine (linggam) one, unless you are referring to it's (perhaps) lesser known definition as "source". Linggam, on the other hand

, literally means "mark" in Sanskrit, so it might be more appropriate in this case. What we see in this type of photography is a "mark" of the electromagnetic field, not the "source" itself. Ultimately "source" and 'mark" are all part of the same wholeness (Holiness) so it's all just semantics anyway.
To see if these photos are of any use to us in measuring aspects of the keris either physical or mystical i think it would be necessary to have complete access to a Coggins device (not just a walk-in at a psychic fair) to conduct a legitimate seires of tests. It would indeed be interesting to see if there were different responses to different pamor types, but first i think it would be necessary to conduct the same test photo on the same keris multiple times in a row to see if you get the same results. If each photo of the same keris is wildly different due to outside electromagnetic interference or whatever, then these experiment would be able to tell us very little about the nature of any particular keris. If you can repeat the experiment with the same results time and time again then it could be a useful tool for measuring SOMETHING about the nature of the keris. Then we get into the sticky part about how we interpret the data. What does a green aura MEAN as opposed to, say, a purple one. Do we base our interpretations on the pre-conceived notions of the fatally flawed New Age movement or do we seek our own scale. If one were to do this kind of study with a keris of very prominent provenence we might be able to start drawing conclusions from what we know as the factual history of the piece. Kudos to anyone who is willing to undertake this type of research on a serious scale. But from personal experience i would suggest that everyone's relationship with any particular keris is a personal one which can only be measured by you alone. I spent a whole lot of time in the 1980s investigating the powers of crystal energy. Now, let me just state that after all that i am a true believer in the power of certain crystals to transmit and transform energy (and therefore conciousness) in human beings. HOWEVER, there isn't a book on the subject that is worth more than fire fodder. Though our brains all have similar hard drives (similar, not the same

) we all use vastly different software. As such our response to various stimuli can be vastly different. Therefore, how each individual responds to any particular crystal (or keris) is bound to be different. So Coggins reveals a keris to have a blue-green aura. Now tell me what that means to YOU. Don't expect it to mean the same to ME. The best means for measuring energy in a keris are the simplest ones. Find a quiet spot. Breathe. Find your center. Meditate with the keris and open yourself up to feel it's energy. This is why you can bring a keris to two or three different dukkuns and get completely different answers about the nature of the blade (if they are the real deal and not just chalatans after your money. Keep an open mind, remain skeptical. It's a tough balance). They can only tell you what they feel through the filter of their own experience. What it all boils down to is DIY, do it yourself. If you really feel you are not able (everyone is though) then you might ask yourself why you what (or need) to know in the first place.

purwacarita · 23rd August 2005, 10:35 AM

Hi nechesh. I recall yoni as different energy from the bearer who naturally possess lingga one, where the combination believed to alive both the keris and the bearer. I dont know if it has the same meaning in other area/culture. Sounds like im yang energy of the Chinese. /cough.

People at Coggins said that it only work with living things. Well, ...it did not cost a lot for small spontaneous experiment and so they did as I said after I went home back to get the keris, and now I become curious. There were some color explanation from Coggins but it explains the meaning of aura discharged only by human. It seems none keris people in Indonesia has the Kirlian nor none Kirlian people abroad has keris.

John · 25th August 2005, 07:10 AM

I once had an encounter with the Coggins aura thing during a fortnight's stay in Singapore in 1999. Several shops at the Fu Lu Shou Complex at Rochor Road had the Coggins system but the experiences were only confined to the human aura, not for keris or any other objects I'm afraid. Took a few friends over several days and at different shops to test ourselves in front of the cameras. We noted certain patterns like a meditation teacher having consistent purple/blue background colours whereas a stressful struggling businessman generated dark red auras. Don't know how reliable the thing is but certainly interesting.

Some of the shops have specimens (for marketing purposes obviously) aura photos and when asked why a couple have strong white glows, I was told they were wearing objects said to have been materialised by a holy man at Putta Patti. Personally I think one finds all the "powers" within and not from external objects although understandably assistance may be sought from an external media if proven to be of assistance.

Pertaining to the mystical colour purple, there's an interesting chapter on the purple plates in Linda Goodman's "Star Signs" book. The colour is said to be of high vibrations at certain units (just under 100 ?) angstrons per second? Can't remember really. I've done the cigarette test with unfailing results with the plates...the cigarettes lose their taste and it's astonishing to see faces of unsuspecting smokers... Sorry I've digressed.

purwacarita · 25th August 2005, 02:59 PM

Hi John. Thanx for sharing your experience.

purwacarita · 27th August 2005, 07:08 AM

Think I've waited patiently enough for positive response. I'll move on to approach several Kirlian people or communities equipped with the device to learn what they think about it and study a few possibilities before consideration to bring 1 unit into Indonesia for further investigation of the exotic mysterious energy, if it is truly measurable by that device.

I'll let you know my correspondence, as I see many Indonesian/Malays in this forum and other people who are interested in keris. But as for liability reasons, I'll hide the identity of the communities and their people names.

If you have any helpful info, please post it in this thread. I really appreciate it. I'll visit this forum every several days to check. ~IBS

purwacarita · 8th September 2005, 01:17 PM

...or e-mail me, please.

Why the pictures of Coggins are more colorful than ones of Kirlian?
Is it because Coggins device radiates more frequency?

21st August 2005, 05:28 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi Purwacarita. I assure you, no offense was taken with your post on that other thread. I'm still not quite sure i see why you consider this a feminine (yoni) power and not a masculine (linggam) one, unless you are referring to it's (perhaps) lesser known definition as "source". Linggam, on the other hand , literally means "mark" in Sanskrit, so it might be more appropriate in this case. What we see in this type of photography is a "mark" of the electromagnetic field, not the "source" itself. Ultimately "source" and 'mark" are all part of the same wholeness (Holiness) so it's all just semantics anyway. To see if these photos are of any use to us in measuring aspects of the keris either physical or mystical i think it would be necessary to have complete access to a Coggins device (not just a walk-in at a psychic fair) to conduct a legitimate seires of tests. It would indeed be interesting to see if there were different responses to different pamor types, but first i think it would be necessary to conduct the same test photo on the same keris multiple times in a row to see if you get the same results. If each photo of the same keris is wildly different due to outside electromagnetic interference or whatever, then these experiment would be able to tell us very little about the nature of any particular keris. If you can repeat the experiment with the same results time and time again then it could be a useful tool for measuring SOMETHING about the nature of the keris. Then we get into the sticky part about how we interpret the data. What does a green aura MEAN as opposed to, say, a purple one. Do we base our interpretations on the pre-conceived notions of the fatally flawed New Age movement or do we seek our own scale. If one were to do this kind of study with a keris of very prominent provenence we might be able to start drawing conclusions from what we know as the factual history of the piece. Kudos to anyone who is willing to undertake this type of research on a serious scale. But from personal experience i would suggest that everyone's relationship with any particular keris is a personal one which can only be measured by you alone. I spent a whole lot of time in the 1980s investigating the powers of crystal energy. Now, let me just state that after all that i am a true believer in the power of certain crystals to transmit and transform energy (and therefore conciousness) in human beings. HOWEVER, there isn't a book on the subject that is worth more than fire fodder. Though our brains all have similar hard drives (similar, not the same ) we all use vastly different software. As such our response to various stimuli can be vastly different. Therefore, how each individual responds to any particular crystal (or keris) is bound to be different. So Coggins reveals a keris to have a blue-green aura. Now tell me what that means to YOU. Don't expect it to mean the same to ME. The best means for measuring energy in a keris are the simplest ones. Find a quiet spot. Breathe. Find your center. Meditate with the keris and open yourself up to feel it's energy. This is why you can bring a keris to two or three different dukkuns and get completely different answers about the nature of the blade (if they are the real deal and not just chalatans after your money. Keep an open mind, remain skeptical. It's a tough balance). They can only tell you what they feel through the filter of their own experience. What it all boils down to is DIY, do it yourself. If you really feel you are not able (everyone is though) then you might ask yourself why you what (or need) to know in the first place.

23rd August 2005, 10:35 AM	#2
purwacarita Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 54	Hi nechesh. I recall yoni as different energy from the bearer who naturally possess lingga one, where the combination believed to alive both the keris and the bearer. I dont know if it has the same meaning in other area/culture. Sounds like im yang energy of the Chinese. /cough. People at Coggins said that it only work with living things. Well, ...it did not cost a lot for small spontaneous experiment and so they did as I said after I went home back to get the keris, and now I become curious. There were some color explanation from Coggins but it explains the meaning of aura discharged only by human. It seems none keris people in Indonesia has the Kirlian nor none Kirlian people abroad has keris.

25th August 2005, 07:10 AM	#3
John Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Land below the wind Posts: 135	I once had an encounter with the Coggins aura thing during a fortnight's stay in Singapore in 1999. Several shops at the Fu Lu Shou Complex at Rochor Road had the Coggins system but the experiences were only confined to the human aura, not for keris or any other objects I'm afraid. Took a few friends over several days and at different shops to test ourselves in front of the cameras. We noted certain patterns like a meditation teacher having consistent purple/blue background colours whereas a stressful struggling businessman generated dark red auras. Don't know how reliable the thing is but certainly interesting. Some of the shops have specimens (for marketing purposes obviously) aura photos and when asked why a couple have strong white glows, I was told they were wearing objects said to have been materialised by a holy man at Putta Patti. Personally I think one finds all the "powers" within and not from external objects although understandably assistance may be sought from an external media if proven to be of assistance. Pertaining to the mystical colour purple, there's an interesting chapter on the purple plates in Linda Goodman's "Star Signs" book. The colour is said to be of high vibrations at certain units (just under 100 ?) angstrons per second? Can't remember really. I've done the cigarette test with unfailing results with the plates...the cigarettes lose their taste and it's astonishing to see faces of unsuspecting smokers... Sorry I've digressed.

25th August 2005, 02:59 PM	#4
purwacarita Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 54	Hi John. Thanx for sharing your experience.

27th August 2005, 07:08 AM	#5
purwacarita Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 54	Think I've waited patiently enough for positive response. I'll move on to approach several Kirlian people or communities equipped with the device to learn what they think about it and study a few possibilities before consideration to bring 1 unit into Indonesia for further investigation of the exotic mysterious energy, if it is truly measurable by that device. I'll let you know my correspondence, as I see many Indonesian/Malays in this forum and other people who are interested in keris. But as for liability reasons, I'll hide the identity of the communities and their people names. If you have any helpful info, please post it in this thread. I really appreciate it. I'll visit this forum every several days to check. ~IBS

8th September 2005, 01:17 PM	#6
purwacarita Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 54	...or e-mail me, please. Why the pictures of Coggins are more colorful than ones of Kirlian? Is it because Coggins device radiates more frequency?