Please more information about this keris

[sirek]

After some cleaning an a pineapple-bath, I would appreciate to hear your comments/information about this keris.

The buntut is made of horn.

There is a leather strap under the warangka, it sits there for a long time I guess.
I do not know if there is damage underneath it, I cannot remove it it’s completely stuck (And I do not want to damage anything).

And I would like to know: is a strap like this original, or is it home made?


Thanks in advance for your effort

[David]

Well, belting this keris in this manner seems a bit unorthodox to me. I have some doubts that the leather attachment is original or culturally correct. It may have been added by a Western collector who wanted to wear the blade for some reason or just thought that he would cover damage to the sheath with something utilitarian. The buntut also does not look correct for this sheath form and is probably a collector's repair.
Nice blade...

[Rick]

I have one of these made from purple velvet that was given to me by a Collector and friend, Naga Sasra when I visited him some years ago .

[sirek]

I know there are also versions for hanging on the wall

[David]

Originally Posted by Rick

I have one of these made from purple velvet that was given to me by a Collector and friend, Naga Sasra when I visited him some years ago .

From which region of the keris world is it from Rick?

[Rick]

Originally Posted by sirek

I know there are also versions for hanging on the wall

That's a very similar one to my example .

Instead of a keris it holds an Afghan sabre .

If I hang one on a wall I use a loop of red silk cord .
Lets you see more of the keris .

[Rick]

Originally Posted by David

From which region of the keris world is it from Rick?

I would guess either Jawa or Bali due to his interests .
I did not ask .

You probably wouldn't have asked either what with the literally hundreds of stunning pieces waiting to be examined .

This was really peripheral to a visit to view and handle the magnificence; that was the real gift .

Visits I will always treasure .

Bali Kerisses you would have killed for David; unbelievable !



We digress; Sirek, I have a blade that is near a twin to this sepokal .
Does yours have a batu lapak at the sorsoran ?

[BluErf]

Nice Sulawesi keris. I also think that the leather attachment is not original to the keris. Perhaps attached later for hanging on the wall. The horn buntut form - I've seen a similar one on another Sulawesi keris recently. Thought it was quite unusual, but that other keris was collected from Indonesia.

The hilt looks like it may have had another pendoko with a higher cup in the past, judging from the marks on the buah pinang.

[sirek]

Originally Posted by Rick

Does yours have a batu lapak at the sorsoran ?

thank you for your comment,

because the low contrast it is difficult to get a good picture

[Jean]

Originally Posted by BluErf

The horn buntut form - I've seen a similar one on another Sulawesi keris recently. Thought it was quite unusual, but that other keris was collected from Indonesia.

Attached is the picture of another Bugis kris scabbard with such an horn buntut, it may be a replacement but not a recent one since it is held in place by a wooden nail. The blade and sheath are not originally matching so the origin of the kris is not clear (Sulawesi or Sumatra Riau islands?).
Regards

[A. G. Maisey]

There are two things to take note of in this leather hanger.

First is the probable function as a repair, second is the hanger itself.

I have seen a number of Bugis style scabbards repaired by wrapping leather, cloth, thin metal or cord around a fractured atasan foot. To me, this is a common repair.Not original to the scabbard, but original to the society from which it came.

Similarly with the horn buntut form. I have seen a number of keris with precisely this form, in fact I think I've got a couple at home with this form , at the moment.

The carrying of a keris in a hanger is one of the correct ways in which to wear a keris in Surakarta Karaton dress. The hanger used is similar to the one shown by Rick and the keris hangs at the left front. I do not know if hangers are used in other areas.

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The carrying of a keris in a hanger is one of the correct ways in which to wear a keris in Surakarta Karaton dress. The hanger used is similar to the one shown by Rick and the keris hangs at the left front. I do not know if hangers are used in other areas.

This is why i asked Rick about the origin of the hanger he showed. I have seen photos of these used in the Jawa court, but not on Bugis Keris. I would be interested in seeing another Bugis sheath with one.

[sirek]

Thanks for explanation,

I like the fact that it’s an original repair made in his own environment
as long as it is original and not a recent made I will leave it as it is,
because It has become part of his history.

[PenangsangII]

I have seen a most probably 19th century photo depicted Bugis Sumatran styled wearing of the keris by hanging it like a saber. I forgot where the photo was taken from, but I must say it was authentic.

[sirek]

Thanks for the response,

I can imagine wearing this way is more practical

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Jean

Attached is the picture of another Bugis kris scabbard with such an horn buntut, it may be a replacement but not a recent one since it is held in place by a wooden nail. The blade and sheath are not originally matching so the origin of the kris is not clear (Sulawesi or Sumatra Riau islands?).
Regards

Here you can see see three Bugis keris with buntut in this form, one from horn.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10438

Regards,

Detlef