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17th July 2011, 10:00 PM
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Here is one of mine that has silver inlay of a stylized crocodile on both sides of the blade. This is a Maguindanao piece with ivory, silver, and swassa.
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17th July 2011, 10:20 PM
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Here is another Maguindanao piece of mine with Maguindanao okir engraved into both sides of the blade. The hilt is swassa over copper and MOP.
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18th July 2011, 02:10 AM
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I have seen ukkil of vines and flowers, chevron lines, half circles that I believe are placed for purely decorative purposes and I have seen symbols of circles, stars, tridents, cresents, prayers that have magical and protective meanings or purposes.
Where does decorative end and the talismanic symbols start? Is it up to one's interpretation? |
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18th July 2011, 03:41 AM
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Kino, that is a good point.
I am sure that the "X"s on Maurice's blade are talismanic and I know that the stylized crocodile on one of my blades is talismanic. Remember that some talismanic designs are made of okir. On my other kris I would agree that the okir might be only decorative (and I may have misread the post  ).
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18th July 2011, 05:29 AM
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Those're just engraved/inlaid adornments/decorations . Quote:
In Malay world lizard is a symbol of cautiousness/alertness. And that symbol doesn't has any talismanic value at all but a mere reminder to the owner of the item to always be cautious/alert. Below are samples of diagram with talismanic value: Hope my two cents helps! mohd |
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18th July 2011, 03:35 PM
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Very helpful Mohd thank you.
IN the Philippine world, stylized animals and "x"s are talismanic symbols. The "lizard" is in fact a stylized crocodile, a power symbol. |
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18th July 2011, 04:15 PM
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Battara thank you for your contribution of sharing those wonderfull krisses.
I could imagine that the crocodile figure is for talismanic, and the defoliate decoration on the other kris more as decoration...Which I'm glad you also shared in this thread. Unfortunately I don't have the answer of what will be only used as decoration, and what will be used as talismanic purposes. But somewhere in the back of my head I remember I've read something in an old book (which I can't recall in my mind), that motifs, filled with silver or gold inlay, means to be there to strengthen the owner and protect him against evil or harm. I'm sure there must be more knowledge about this here of forumites and I hope this thread will be interesting which eventually give us a good sight on what to see as decoration and what to see as talismanic purposes. It seems that I'm not the only one having these questions, considering the posts of mohd and kino.. And this was exactly what I wanted to cause by this thread. Please share more images and knowledge about this! I'm getting real curious now to learn more..... Maurice |
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18th July 2011, 07:38 PM
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That is a nice interpretation of a Crocodile on your lovely Kris ( I don't think I have ever seen that kris before). A photo of a Moro Buwaya pangi. Mohd, I have to respectfully disagree with you on the "X", inlaid on Maurice's kris. I don't think the Mindanao/ Sulu moros played with the same rules as their Malay brethren. Cato had mentioned that some practiced "folk Islam", in which they tailored their religious practice to fit their lifestye. Thanks for posting photos of the talisman. Maurice that is a really nice kris. Good topic. |
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