How do we name this pamor .

danny1976 · 19th March 2011, 09:35 PM

Hello,

Today i did find a new keris but can someone help me out with the pamor ?
So far i know we can give it two names Sada saler wenkon or ..adeg wenkon
what would be the proper name

thanks ,

Sajen · 19th March 2011, 09:59 PM

Hi Danny,

nice keris again!

I think both is correct. personally I would call it sada saler (sak ler) wengkon.

Regards,

Detlef

David · 19th March 2011, 10:02 PM

I like this keris Danny.

I would tend to go with your first name, but other's mileage may vary.

A. G. Maisey · 19th March 2011, 11:13 PM

It depends upon what school you went to.

I've always called it adeg wengkon, and I cannot think of anybody that I know personally who calls it anything else.

Pamor names can vary a lot, depending on where you are, and what group of people you associate with.

David · 20th March 2011, 03:06 AM

Look how flexible i can be in such matters...i'm more than willing to join Alan's ranks here.

Whatever name you use i still like the keris.

PenangsangII · 20th March 2011, 05:58 AM

some may call this pamor 'teja kinurung' but i like 'adeg wengkon' too.....

danny1976 · 20th March 2011, 01:05 PM

Everybody thanks for the info.

@ Davids . I like it also , that is why i bougt it

There is something that atracks me in this keris , the dapur is relative simple
but it ''catch'' me is some way .

A. G. Maisey · 20th March 2011, 02:49 PM

Yes Danny, simple.

But one of the most difficult pamor motifs to make.

danny1976 · 20th March 2011, 04:27 PM

@ Mr Maisey,

I didn,t know that , now i.m even more happy i find this one .
But just for learning..would it be more difficult to make this one than let,s say
mayang makar ?

A. G. Maisey · 20th March 2011, 11:17 PM

All manipulated pamors have their own specific difficulties, and traditionally ron duru was regarded as level 1 of difficulty. It was said that ron duru was the last pamor made when an empu was ready to die. However, any pamor that uses a wengkon requires tremendous control during forging and unlimited patience and application during the cold work.

tatung · 16th April 2011, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny1976

Everybody thanks for the info.

@ Davids . I like it also , that is why i bougt it

There is something that atracks me in this keris , the dapur is relative simple
but it ''catch'' me is some way .

If i am not mistaken, the ganja iron is also original. Indeed a very beautiful piece of keris.

danny1976 · 17th April 2011, 09:46 AM

@ Tatung .

Thank ,s

Yes the Ganja is the same material and the same structure as the keris ,
On top of the ganja there is also a pamor line in the middle .

Somebody can tel me more about the mendak ?
Is this one a ''original'' madurese mendak , i never had one like this before.
imo a very simple mendak.

19th March 2011, 09:35 PM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	How do we name this pamor . Hello, Today i did find a new keris but can someone help me out with the pamor ? So far i know we can give it two names Sada saler wenkon or ..adeg wenkon what would be the proper name thanks , Attached Images

19th March 2011, 09:59 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hi Danny, nice keris again! I think both is correct. personally I would call it sada saler (sak ler) wengkon. Regards, Detlef

19th March 2011, 10:02 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	I like this keris Danny. I would tend to go with your first name, but other's mileage may vary.

19th March 2011, 11:13 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	It depends upon what school you went to. I've always called it adeg wengkon, and I cannot think of anybody that I know personally who calls it anything else. Pamor names can vary a lot, depending on where you are, and what group of people you associate with.

20th March 2011, 03:06 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	Look how flexible i can be in such matters...i'm more than willing to join Alan's ranks here. Whatever name you use i still like the keris.

20th March 2011, 05:58 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	some may call this pamor 'teja kinurung' but i like 'adeg wengkon' too.....

20th March 2011, 01:05 PM	#7
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Everybody thanks for the info. @ Davids . I like it also , that is why i bougt it There is something that atracks me in this keris , the dapur is relative simple but it ''catch'' me is some way .

20th March 2011, 02:49 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Yes Danny, simple. But one of the most difficult pamor motifs to make.

20th March 2011, 04:27 PM	#9
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	@ Mr Maisey, I didn,t know that , now i.m even more happy i find this one . But just for learning..would it be more difficult to make this one than let,s say mayang makar ?

20th March 2011, 11:17 PM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	All manipulated pamors have their own specific difficulties, and traditionally ron duru was regarded as level 1 of difficulty. It was said that ron duru was the last pamor made when an empu was ready to die. However, any pamor that uses a wengkon requires tremendous control during forging and unlimited patience and application during the cold work.

17th April 2011, 09:46 AM	#12
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	@ Tatung . Thank ,s Yes the Ganja is the same material and the same structure as the keris , On top of the ganja there is also a pamor line in the middle . Somebody can tel me more about the mendak ? Is this one a ''original'' madurese mendak , i never had one like this before. imo a very simple mendak.