Indonésia or Philippines?

ericlaude · 27th January 2011, 08:05 PM

Good morning to all, I searched this knife in the Zonneveld book and I did not find it. I think it's Indonesian but the little clamp gives me doubt. Indonesian or Philippine? If somebody can help me for its identification,, thank you in advance.
It look old, the blade is very sharp, it measure 20" OVL, the blade 15", the ferule is made with silver and I don't know if the handle is ivory or bone and black wood.
Regards

Sajen · 27th January 2011, 08:34 PM

Hi Ericlaude,

it's a very nice and unique knife like a mixture between Sewar and Sundang. I have never seen something like this but my feeling says me that it is maybe a Peninsula dagger. So far I know Sewars are also found there and the mix from white and black at the handle and tip of the sheat let me think like this. Very nice find!

Regards,

Detlef

David · 27th January 2011, 11:33 PM

Interesting...i've never seen anything quite like it, but the sheath definitely gives me the feeling this is Indonesian. I understand why the clamp caused you question as i have never seen them used on Indonesian sundangs, but everything else seems to point towards Indonesia.

Robert · 27th January 2011, 11:58 PM

Hello Eric, A very interesting and nice item. Does this piece have a full length tang and could you post a picture of the end of the hilt? To me the hilt looks like it could be made of bone and horn but a closer picture could help to decide.

Robert

ericlaude · 27th January 2011, 11:59 PM

Me too David, I know the Moro's clamps, but I never seen it on the indonesian items. I bought it with an old mandau, is it a Dayak work?

ericlaude · 28th January 2011, 12:06 AM

Hi Robert, the pommel is broken. look at the pictures.

VANDOO · 28th January 2011, 12:25 AM

I HAVE SEEN A FEW ITEMS WITH SIMULAR BLADES KIND OF A CROSS BETWEEN A KERIS AND SEVERAL OTHER INDONESIAN KNIVES. ONE PICTURE HERE WAS REFERRED TO AS A NIAS KERIS. THE OTHER AS A WHAT IS IT. THE PICTURES ARE POOR BUT THE CARVING ON THE (WHAT IS IT)SCABBARD LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF COMMING OUT OF LOMBOK. A INTERESTING AND ATTRACTIVE ITEM CONGRADULATIONS.

Battara · 28th January 2011, 02:17 AM

I agree. Never seen anything like this before. I also lean toward Malay since they do sundang with clamps.

DaveS · 28th January 2011, 04:11 AM

I agree with Jose. Never have seen anything quite like it. Leaning to a
peninsular attribution..........Dave.

27th January 2011, 08:05 PM	#1
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Indonésia or Philippines? Good morning to all, I searched this knife in the Zonneveld book and I did not find it. I think it's Indonesian but the little clamp gives me doubt. Indonesian or Philippine? If somebody can help me for its identification,, thank you in advance. It look old, the blade is very sharp, it measure 20" OVL, the blade 15", the ferule is made with silver and I don't know if the handle is ivory or bone and black wood. Regards Attached Images

27th January 2011, 11:59 PM	#5
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Me too David, I know the Moro's clamps, but I never seen it on the indonesian items. I bought it with an old mandau, is it a Dayak work? Last edited by ericlaude; 28th January 2011 at 12:19 AM.

28th January 2011, 12:06 AM	#6
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Hi Robert, the pommel is broken. look at the pictures. Attached Images

28th January 2011, 12:25 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE SEEN A FEW ITEMS WITH SIMULAR BLADES KIND OF A CROSS BETWEEN A KERIS AND SEVERAL OTHER INDONESIAN KNIVES. ONE PICTURE HERE WAS REFERRED TO AS A NIAS KERIS. THE OTHER AS A WHAT IS IT. THE PICTURES ARE POOR BUT THE CARVING ON THE (WHAT IS IT)SCABBARD LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF COMMING OUT OF LOMBOK. A INTERESTING AND ATTRACTIVE ITEM CONGRADULATIONS. Attached Images

27th January 2011, 08:34 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hi Ericlaude, it's a very nice and unique knife like a mixture between Sewar and Sundang. I have never seen something like this but my feeling says me that it is maybe a Peninsula dagger. So far I know Sewars are also found there and the mix from white and black at the handle and tip of the sheat let me think like this. Very nice find! Regards, Detlef

27th January 2011, 11:33 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,125	Interesting...i've never seen anything quite like it, but the sheath definitely gives me the feeling this is Indonesian. I understand why the clamp caused you question as i have never seen them used on Indonesian sundangs, but everything else seems to point towards Indonesia.

27th January 2011, 11:58 PM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Eric, A very interesting and nice item. Does this piece have a full length tang and could you post a picture of the end of the hilt? To me the hilt looks like it could be made of bone and horn but a closer picture could help to decide. Robert

28th January 2011, 02:17 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	I agree. Never seen anything like this before. I also lean toward Malay since they do sundang with clamps.

28th January 2011, 04:11 AM	#9
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	I agree with Jose. Never have seen anything quite like it. Leaning to a peninsular attribution..........Dave.