Metal wrapped javanese hilt

Sajen · 3rd January 2011, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Detlef, i might be mistaken, but i think that Alan might only be referring to the example that Jean has shown, not the one that you began the thread with.

Now, when you write this I am unsure as well!

Maybe Alan will be so kind to rectify this.

Gustav · 4th January 2011, 12:04 AM

Alan,

Jasper/Mas Pirngadie writes, the Surakarta hilt form comes from Paisisiran (page 210 abowe: (...)terwijl de Soesoehoenan van Soerakarta de oekirran Pasisirran zou hebben aangenomen.).

Is there some truth behinde this?

A. G. Maisey · 4th January 2011, 02:15 AM

Yes, I was referring to Jean's hilt.

I have not read J&P. It is supposedly reliable, however, this hilt form shown at the beginning of this thread is definitely a Central Jawa form, very probably Surakarta.

It appears somewhat distorted on my screen and very miniscule variations in hilt forms of this general type can indicate different things.

In my experience this is most definitely a Central Javanese form, but I have no idea at all where it might have been made.

Battara · 4th January 2011, 03:32 AM

I must admit that I like these hilts. I love the chasing work on these.

I will also add from a metals standpoint that I feel that these would be made of thin sheet silver, which would be much softer than white metal or "German silver", and thus easier to work and more detail can be added.

Sajen · 4th January 2011, 07:44 PM

Thank you Alan for clarification. The hilt is approximate 9 cm (3,5 inch) high so it is not significant small but dainty worked.

Jose, i will test it the next days but I don't think that there is a silver contingent inside my hilt.

Regards,

Detlef

PenangsangII · 5th January 2011, 05:00 AM

the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

Gustav · 5th January 2011, 01:44 PM

This thread seems to become more and more weird - a classic of its kind

David · 5th January 2011, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

You have confused me Penangsang....which hilt are you commenting on? Sajen's original posting has no mendak, but it seems to be the one where the "overall hilt pakem conform Solonese". It is Jean's example that has a mendak and this one looks much more clearly Cirebon to me.

Sajen · 5th January 2011, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

I am confused as well!

Same reason like by David. Please can you explain from which hilt you are "speaking"?

Regards,

Detlef

4th January 2011, 12:04 AM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	Alan, Jasper/Mas Pirngadie writes, the Surakarta hilt form comes from Paisisiran (page 210 abowe: (...)terwijl de Soesoehoenan van Soerakarta de oekirran Pasisirran zou hebben aangenomen.). Is there some truth behinde this?

4th January 2011, 02:15 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,888	Yes, I was referring to Jean's hilt. I have not read J&P. It is supposedly reliable, however, this hilt form shown at the beginning of this thread is definitely a Central Jawa form, very probably Surakarta. It appears somewhat distorted on my screen and very miniscule variations in hilt forms of this general type can indicate different things. In my experience this is most definitely a Central Javanese form, but I have no idea at all where it might have been made.

4th January 2011, 03:32 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I must admit that I like these hilts. I love the chasing work on these. I will also add from a metals standpoint that I feel that these would be made of thin sheet silver, which would be much softer than white metal or "German silver", and thus easier to work and more detail can be added.

4th January 2011, 07:44 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,768	Thank you Alan for clarification. The hilt is approximate 9 cm (3,5 inch) high so it is not significant small but dainty worked. Jose, i will test it the next days but I don't think that there is a silver contingent inside my hilt. Regards, Detlef

5th January 2011, 05:00 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	the carving looks Cirebon to me though the overall hilt pakem conform Solonese. The mendak also looks like meniran Cirebon...

5th January 2011, 01:44 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	This thread seems to become more and more weird - a classic of its kind