Need Translation: Moro Barong Scabbard

LabanTayo · 14th December 2004, 12:14 AM

I believe this is in Arabic.
Its on an old Barong Scabbard. There is more writing on the scabbard, but it is too light to take a pic of it.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,

Raja Muda · 15th December 2004, 06:10 AM

Hi,

The top inscription looks like Bismillahi Rahman, in the name of God the compassionate, though I think it is imcomplete.
The bottom one is a bit tricky. The starting part looks like wa lailan (and night...?) but the rest of it is undeciperable to me.
From the looks of it, the person who scratched it might either have very basic knowledge of Arabic gleaned from Quran reading lessons or is just copying out the inscription for talismanic reasons.
It looks like an approximation of the words rather than something written by someone highly literate, or the hand would be at least more rounded or cursive. Hope that helps.

LabanTayo · 15th December 2004, 06:16 PM

raja muda,
thank you so much for the help. i wish i could get a better picture of the script. the only way to do that, would be to go over what is written with a pen. i dont want mess with the original look though.
like i said before, there is more writing, but really hard to see.
thanks again,

Federico · 15th December 2004, 06:33 PM

Any chance at seeing pics of the barong that went with this scabbard?

LabanTayo · 15th December 2004, 07:23 PM

no problem, will do tonite.
its a shandigan.

LabanTayo · 17th December 2004, 03:28 AM

Federico,
heres the shandigan barong. it hasnt been etched yet, but will do that shortly.

Federico · 17th December 2004, 07:15 AM

Nice shandigan, how pronounced is the raised edge in person? Does it feel very lively in the hand?

LabanTayo · 17th December 2004, 06:08 PM

the shandigan is fairly pronounced. not as pronounced as my WWII 'guerilla' shandigan barong, but that one is a monster. i'll post pics of them side by side.

does it feel lively????
in the words of dr. frankenstein, "it is alive"!!!!
when you pull it out of the sheath, it has a mind of its own. very balanced and wants guide you, not the other way around. direction changes are felt in the belly, not the tip.

LabanTayo · 18th December 2004, 01:57 AM

FEDERICO,
heres the pics.
the 3rd one down is my WWII Guerilla Shandigan.
the one below it is the Barong in this thread.
the one at the very bottom is also a shandigan, but not as pronounced, it also has a chinese chopmark.

BluErf · 18th December 2004, 04:01 AM

My goodness... you can probably cleave an ox with that monster of a barong.

LabanTayo · 18th December 2004, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

My goodness... you can probably cleave an ox with that monster of a barong.

the spine of that barong is 3/16" at the hilt and hits 1/4" in the center.
the blade is 17" long and is 3 1/4" at the belly.
its feels like it weighs 10 lbs. definetely a chopper.

LabanTayo · 21st December 2004, 11:20 PM

Last nite, Zelbone and I etched the Shandigan Barong.
Yowza!!!!!!!

Battara · 22nd December 2004, 06:45 AM

Yeeehaa! Shor looks perdy!

zelbone · 22nd December 2004, 05:03 PM

"Yeehaa!" was pretty much my reaction when we applied the etchant. Actually, my reaction was more like "HOLY S@#%

!!!!!" I've never seen a pattern pop out so quickly! The look on Shelley's face was priceless!

14th December 2004, 12:14 AM	#1
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	Need Translation: Moro Barong Scabbard I believe this is in Arabic. Its on an old Barong Scabbard. There is more writing on the scabbard, but it is too light to take a pic of it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Attached Images

15th December 2004, 06:10 AM	#2
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Attempt Hi, The top inscription looks like Bismillahi Rahman, in the name of God the compassionate, though I think it is imcomplete. The bottom one is a bit tricky. The starting part looks like wa lailan (and night...?) but the rest of it is undeciperable to me. From the looks of it, the person who scratched it might either have very basic knowledge of Arabic gleaned from Quran reading lessons or is just copying out the inscription for talismanic reasons. It looks like an approximation of the words rather than something written by someone highly literate, or the hand would be at least more rounded or cursive. Hope that helps.

17th December 2004, 03:28 AM	#6
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	Federico, heres the shandigan barong. it hasnt been etched yet, but will do that shortly. Attached Images

18th December 2004, 01:57 AM	#9
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	FEDERICO, heres the pics. the 3rd one down is my WWII Guerilla Shandigan. the one below it is the Barong in this thread. the one at the very bottom is also a shandigan, but not as pronounced, it also has a chinese chopmark. Attached Images

21st December 2004, 11:20 PM	#12
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	Last nite, Zelbone and I etched the Shandigan Barong. Yowza!!!!!!! Attached Images

15th December 2004, 06:16 PM	#3
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	raja muda, thank you so much for the help. i wish i could get a better picture of the script. the only way to do that, would be to go over what is written with a pen. i dont want mess with the original look though. like i said before, there is more writing, but really hard to see. thanks again,

15th December 2004, 06:33 PM	#4
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Any chance at seeing pics of the barong that went with this scabbard?

15th December 2004, 07:23 PM	#5
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	no problem, will do tonite. its a shandigan.

17th December 2004, 07:15 AM	#7
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Nice shandigan, how pronounced is the raised edge in person? Does it feel very lively in the hand?

17th December 2004, 06:08 PM	#8
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	the shandigan is fairly pronounced. not as pronounced as my WWII 'guerilla' shandigan barong, but that one is a monster. i'll post pics of them side by side. does it feel lively???? in the words of dr. frankenstein, "it is alive"!!!! when you pull it out of the sheath, it has a mind of its own. very balanced and wants guide you, not the other way around. direction changes are felt in the belly, not the tip.

18th December 2004, 04:01 AM	#10
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	My goodness... you can probably cleave an ox with that monster of a barong.

22nd December 2004, 06:45 AM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Yeeehaa! Shor looks perdy!

22nd December 2004, 05:03 PM	#14
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	"Yeehaa!" was pretty much my reaction when we applied the etchant. Actually, my reaction was more like "HOLY S@#% !!!!!" I've never seen a pattern pop out so quickly! The look on Shelley's face was priceless!