Auction result June 07 look

Tim Simmons · 19th November 2007, 07:51 PM

R U 4 real. Very nice £20,000+ nice? I am really lost for words, cumming on too strong.
http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_it...507a&ic=#Photo

The large photo should come up without all that sign up nonsense.
http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_it...507a&ic=#Photo

katana · 19th November 2007, 09:25 PM

Bidding that much can only be described as a foolish 'Axe-shun'

kronckew · 20th November 2007, 02:09 AM

i believe the saying attributed to P.T. Barnum is applicable.

nice spin doctoring on the description.

Tim Simmons · 20th November 2007, 10:03 AM

Having seen the larger pictures, indeed a very fine piece and had time to think about this a little more. If I were rich I think it may well be worth every penny. One just has to make a comparison to some of the art worlds and markets harbingers of taste. I will not mention any names like Saatchi, gosh did I say Saatchi !! Collectors and a market for if not the talentless many creators of style over substance. Take the over hyped Diamond set cast platinum skull all "Hurst's" handy work? I do not think so. Does it shock, is it new to the world of art, does it express anything? perhaps just affluent decadence.
This axe was actually made by the artist.

Tim Simmons · 21st November 2007, 09:48 PM

Lastly my latest one which is still to arrive, I thought I spent quite a lot on it but it is all there.

VANDOO · 21st November 2007, 11:53 PM

A TRULY EXCEPTIONAL EXAMPLE I NOTED THE ESTIMATE WAS 38000.00 TO 50000.00. I SEE THERE WAS PROVENANCE AND A KNOWN MAKER AND IT HAS BEEN IN SEVERAL EXHIBITS BUT DID NOT SEE THE APPROXIMATE AGE OR WHAT CHIEF OR RULER IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE FOR. WAAAY OUT OF MY CLASS BUT I LIKE IT. THANKS FOR THE PICTURES

Tim Simmons · 22nd November 2007, 06:59 PM

As my axe has arrived I thought I might as well continue this thread. Firstly I would just like to mention that there is a very good book published by the "Metropolitan" to accompany thier on going exhibition untill March 2008 of Central African Reliquary sculpture. The book and show are titled "Eternal Ancestors, The Art of the Central African Reliquary" The book has nothing to do with weapons but has very good easy reading background information on the people from the south Cameroon, the Fang Gabon and the western sea board to the eastern Congo, far more info than in most weapon publications. I have found this very helpful particularly in the case of what may appear as weapons with atypical features. The study in this book is more enlightening than the Tibetan Arms exhibition publication. I got the book from amazon it was on a very good offer.
Back to the axe, it is not the most eye catching and the heads really rather simple. However I like the strong form, the blade is quite large just under 30cm from tip to tip, the haft is 35cm. I aways imagined these as prestige items but with the blade extending further than the distal end of the handle making the balance acceptable if a little heavy and the fact that the blade is sharp I now feel they could indeed be very real weapons. I have cleaned it a little, looks as if the blade should be white at least to the dots. I was the only bid. I think there may have been some confusion over size or I might just be bit of a prat

kronckew · 22nd November 2007, 07:19 PM

i prefer yours, tim.

Tim Simmons · 22nd November 2007, 07:41 PM

Thank you.
I think I may have got an okay deal but the post was rather high. One can always spend that on petrol driving around, and still find nothing.

spiral · 22nd November 2007, 08:24 PM

Looks good Tim, Is that reptile skin its covered in I cant be totaly sure from pics? or another form of decoration?

Spiral

Tim Simmons · 22nd November 2007, 08:31 PM

Thank you. Monitor I think.

19th November 2007, 07:51 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Auction result June 07 look R U 4 real. Very nice £20,000+ nice? I am really lost for words, cumming on too strong. http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_it...507a&ic=#Photo The large photo should come up without all that sign up nonsense. http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_it...507a&ic=#Photo Last edited by Tim Simmons; 19th November 2007 at 08:08 PM.

21st November 2007, 09:48 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	pictures Lastly my latest one which is still to arrive, I thought I spent quite a lot on it but it is all there.

22nd November 2007, 06:59 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	As my axe has arrived I thought I might as well continue this thread. Firstly I would just like to mention that there is a very good book published by the "Metropolitan" to accompany thier on going exhibition untill March 2008 of Central African Reliquary sculpture. The book and show are titled "Eternal Ancestors, The Art of the Central African Reliquary" The book has nothing to do with weapons but has very good easy reading background information on the people from the south Cameroon, the Fang Gabon and the western sea board to the eastern Congo, far more info than in most weapon publications. I have found this very helpful particularly in the case of what may appear as weapons with atypical features. The study in this book is more enlightening than the Tibetan Arms exhibition publication. I got the book from amazon it was on a very good offer. Back to the axe, it is not the most eye catching and the heads really rather simple. However I like the strong form, the blade is quite large just under 30cm from tip to tip, the haft is 35cm. I aways imagined these as prestige items but with the blade extending further than the distal end of the handle making the balance acceptable if a little heavy and the fact that the blade is sharp I now feel they could indeed be very real weapons. I have cleaned it a little, looks as if the blade should be white at least to the dots. I was the only bid. I think there may have been some confusion over size or I might just be bit of a prat Last edited by Tim Simmons; 22nd November 2007 at 10:12 PM.

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19th November 2007, 09:25 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Bidding that much can only be described as a foolish 'Axe-shun'

20th November 2007, 02:09 AM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,182	i believe the saying attributed to P.T. Barnum is applicable. nice spin doctoring on the description.

20th November 2007, 10:03 AM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Having seen the larger pictures, indeed a very fine piece and had time to think about this a little more. If I were rich I think it may well be worth every penny. One just has to make a comparison to some of the art worlds and markets harbingers of taste. I will not mention any names like Saatchi, gosh did I say Saatchi !! Collectors and a market for if not the talentless many creators of style over substance. Take the over hyped Diamond set cast platinum skull all "Hurst's" handy work? I do not think so. Does it shock, is it new to the world of art, does it express anything? perhaps just affluent decadence. This axe was actually made by the artist.

21st November 2007, 11:53 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A TRULY EXCEPTIONAL EXAMPLE I NOTED THE ESTIMATE WAS 38000.00 TO 50000.00. I SEE THERE WAS PROVENANCE AND A KNOWN MAKER AND IT HAS BEEN IN SEVERAL EXHIBITS BUT DID NOT SEE THE APPROXIMATE AGE OR WHAT CHIEF OR RULER IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE FOR. WAAAY OUT OF MY CLASS BUT I LIKE IT. THANKS FOR THE PICTURES

22nd November 2007, 07:19 PM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,182	i prefer yours, tim.

22nd November 2007, 07:41 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Thank you. I think I may have got an okay deal but the post was rather high. One can always spend that on petrol driving around, and still find nothing.

22nd November 2007, 08:24 PM	#10
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Looks good Tim, Is that reptile skin its covered in I cant be totaly sure from pics? or another form of decoration? Spiral

22nd November 2007, 08:31 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Thank you. Monitor I think.