Moro kris

Maurice · 28th December 2024, 06:21 PM

Hi,

Here my latest find, an old moro kris.
The kris has a wavy laminated blade, and a seperate 'ganja'.
Also it has one silver clamp, on top held by a seperate piece of brass which continues in an angle along the tang under the silverwork.
It has a rather small (older type) wooden cockatoo pommel, and plaited silver 'wickerwork'. The wooden piece under the plaited silver (the grip/handle) is unfortunately broken, so the pommel is slightly moving and it doesn't have a firm grip when handling.
Probably the scabbard is not as old as the kris, and doesn't have a nice fit on top. The scabbard is also somewhat 'oversized' for the blade of the kris. It has a horn endpiece, mother of pearl inlaid 'star', and the rattan strokes (old rattan bands that were cut in length to fit around the scabbard) were glued on the scabbard by a former owner.
The length of the kris is 615mm (120mm hilt, and 495mm blade).
The total length of the kris in the scabbard is 755mm.

Any comments about age, origin or other info about the kris and scabbard are most welcome.

(PS I cleaned the silverwork only very superficial, as I like it that it shows age. It was rather black when I got it).

Kind regards,
Maurice

David R · 28th December 2024, 07:06 PM

Nice one!

Sajen · 29th December 2024, 12:07 PM

Hi Maurice,

Very nice kris, congrats! I think it comes from Mindanao and as age I would guess middle of the 19th century. But we have more knowledgeable people here than me.

Regards,
Detlef

Maurice · 29th December 2024, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by David R

Nice one!

Thank you!

Maurice · 29th December 2024, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

Very nice kris, congrats! I think it comes from Mindanao and as age I would guess middle of the 19th century. But we have more knowledgeable people here than me.

Regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Thank you for responding! I totally agree with you concerning mid 1800's age.
About origin I don't know. What are the 'triggers' for you to think it's from Mindanao?
I hope the more knowledgeable people will respond too, to confirm age and origin also.

Kind regards,
Maurice

Sajen · 29th December 2024, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

What are the 'triggers' for you to think it's from Mindanao?

Hi Maurice,

Mainly the scabbard and the elephant trunk area of the blade.

Regards,
Detlef

Maurice · 29th December 2024, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

Mainly the scabbard and the elephant trunk area of the blade.

Regards,
Detlef

Thank you Detlef for the clarification.
I need to re-read Robert Cato's book, which I bought about 20 years ago, and stored on our attic somewhere...

Kind regards,
Maurice

Ian · Yesterday, 02:30 PM

Hello Maurice,

Interesting kris you show. I think there are some style features that reflect different Moro groups, but mainly Sulu. The blade has shallow waves and is not very long (~19.5 in.). The shallow waves suggest second half of the 19th C, but the somewhat short blade would be consistent with a little earlier. So mid- to late-19th C seems about right.

The shallow waves suggest a possible Sulu origin because my own research has found that such blades are more commonly in Sulu dress than Mindanao, at least on the examples I have found from various sources on the internet.

The elephant trunk area is consistent with some older Sulu kris. I can see why Detlef thought it might be Maranao/Mindanao because of the slight bulge to the gandhik, but Maranao "tusks" are horizontal while this one is tilted down somewhat. Nevertheless, Detlef could be correct. The engraved asang asang is usually a Maranao trait but is seen also on a few Sulu kris.

The diminutive kakatua pommel with side panels is found widely on Moro kris during the 19th C, including Sulu and Mindanao examples. This small style seems to have been favored on combat weapons rather than weapons to display your self-importance. A small pommel likely had some practical value.

The grip of the hilt is mostly in a basket-weave pattern, and I believe this style is mainly used on Sulu kris. The silver wire work looks oversize for the rest of the hilt (especially the pommel), and I suspect it was a replacement.The break to the wooden core of the grip is a fairly common finding. I have several examples. Perhaps the silver wire wrap was intended to provide some splinting for the break.

The scabbard is a later replacement from the 20th C when MOP inlays were fashionable, especially post WWII. You note that the kris does not fit very well in the scabbard and I suspect that it was not made for this sword.

Overall, this looks a well made kris for someone of modest wealth. It was made for use and not for show, although the addition of the silver wrap to the hilt may have been for bling as well as function.

28th December 2024, 06:21 PM	#1
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,386	Moro kris Hi, Here my latest find, an old moro kris. The kris has a wavy laminated blade, and a seperate 'ganja'. Also it has one silver clamp, on top held by a seperate piece of brass which continues in an angle along the tang under the silverwork. It has a rather small (older type) wooden cockatoo pommel, and plaited silver 'wickerwork'. The wooden piece under the plaited silver (the grip/handle) is unfortunately broken, so the pommel is slightly moving and it doesn't have a firm grip when handling. Probably the scabbard is not as old as the kris, and doesn't have a nice fit on top. The scabbard is also somewhat 'oversized' for the blade of the kris. It has a horn endpiece, mother of pearl inlaid 'star', and the rattan strokes (old rattan bands that were cut in length to fit around the scabbard) were glued on the scabbard by a former owner. The length of the kris is 615mm (120mm hilt, and 495mm blade). The total length of the kris in the scabbard is 755mm. Any comments about age, origin or other info about the kris and scabbard are most welcome. (PS I cleaned the silverwork only very superficial, as I like it that it shows age. It was rather black when I got it). Kind regards, Maurice Attached Images Last edited by Maurice; 29th December 2024 at 01:48 PM.

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28th December 2024, 07:06 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,089	Nice one!

29th December 2024, 12:07 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,909	Hi Maurice, Very nice kris, congrats! I think it comes from Mindanao and as age I would guess middle of the 19th century. But we have more knowledgeable people here than me. Regards, Detlef

Yesterday, 02:30 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,259	Hello Maurice, Interesting kris you show. I think there are some style features that reflect different Moro groups, but mainly Sulu. The blade has shallow waves and is not very long (~19.5 in.). The shallow waves suggest second half of the 19th C, but the somewhat short blade would be consistent with a little earlier. So mid- to late-19th C seems about right. The shallow waves suggest a possible Sulu origin because my own research has found that such blades are more commonly in Sulu dress than Mindanao, at least on the examples I have found from various sources on the internet. The elephant trunk area is consistent with some older Sulu kris. I can see why Detlef thought it might be Maranao/Mindanao because of the slight bulge to the gandhik, but Maranao "tusks" are horizontal while this one is tilted down somewhat. Nevertheless, Detlef could be correct. The engraved asang asang is usually a Maranao trait but is seen also on a few Sulu kris. The diminutive kakatua pommel with side panels is found widely on Moro kris during the 19th C, including Sulu and Mindanao examples. This small style seems to have been favored on combat weapons rather than weapons to display your self-importance. A small pommel likely had some practical value. The grip of the hilt is mostly in a basket-weave pattern, and I believe this style is mainly used on Sulu kris. The silver wire work looks oversize for the rest of the hilt (especially the pommel), and I suspect it was a replacement.The break to the wooden core of the grip is a fairly common finding. I have several examples. Perhaps the silver wire wrap was intended to provide some splinting for the break. The scabbard is a later replacement from the 20th C when MOP inlays were fashionable, especially post WWII. You note that the kris does not fit very well in the scabbard and I suspect that it was not made for this sword. Overall, this looks a well made kris for someone of modest wealth. It was made for use and not for show, although the addition of the silver wrap to the hilt may have been for bling as well as function.