Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 7th July 2022, 04:20 PM   #1
Drabant1701
Member
 
Drabant1701's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Sweden
Posts: 181
Default Chinese Peasant Knives. Age?

I was bidding on a nice Indo-Persian dagger in an auction, I also casually bid on some stuff that I thought looked interesting. I won these three knifes that I have concluded is Asian farmers knifes, maybe for cutting opium flowers. So... does anyone recognice the mark on the blade od the smallest one? I think the antlope horn one and the small one is first half of the 20th century, but the one with ivory?, walrus? grip looks pretty old, do you think its an 19th century knife. This is not my area at all so I do not know how long these type of knife has been around. Anyways, if you have any knowledge on the subject you want to add, please do so.
Attached Images
      
Drabant1701 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 7th July 2022, 09:39 PM   #2
Bob A
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 430
Default

The knives I've seen for opium production typically have several short blades in a block of wood. They are used to score the pods so that the sap exudes and dries. At that point, I suppose the knives here illustrated might be used later, to scrape the raw opium gum from the bulbs?
Bob A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th July 2022, 12:33 AM   #3
Ren Ren
Member
 
Ren Ren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Russia, Moscow
Posts: 374
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drabant1701 View Post
So... does anyone recognice the mark on the blade od the smallest one?
This is the name of the knife maker. Very similar to the character 伍 Wu.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drabant1701 View Post
I think the antlope horn one and the small one is first half of the 20th century, but the one with ivory?, walrus? grip looks pretty old, do you think its an 19th century knife. This is not my area at all so I do not know how long these type of knife has been around.
Yes, the handle is made of dzeren antelope horn - it was a very popular material while hundreds of thousands of these antelopes lived in Mongolia and Tibet. The second handle is made of deer antler, it is much rarer.

This is a type of ordinary peasant knives that were worn every day on the belt. It is difficult to say when they appeared, but they were widespread in the north and northeast of China until the 1960s. Until the Great Cultural Revolution itself, which destroyed the traditional craft of making knives and weapons.

Your knives are in very good condition. This is especially noticeable on leather straps. I think they were made in 1940-60s.

Last edited by Ren Ren; 8th July 2022 at 12:49 AM. Reason: Supplement
Ren Ren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th July 2022, 10:35 AM   #4
Drabant1701
Member
 
Drabant1701's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Sweden
Posts: 181
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ren Ren View Post
This is the name of the knife maker. Very similar to the character 伍 Wu.


Yes, the handle is made of dzeren antelope horn - it was a very popular material while hundreds of thousands of these antelopes lived in Mongolia and Tibet. The second handle is made of deer antler, it is much rarer.

This is a type of ordinary peasant knives that were worn every day on the belt. It is difficult to say when they appeared, but they were widespread in the north and northeast of China until the 1960s. Until the Great Cultural Revolution itself, which destroyed the traditional craft of making knives and weapons.

Your knives are in very good condition. This is especially noticeable on leather straps. I think they were made in 1940-60s.
Thank you so much! This is a great information.
Drabant1701 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th July 2022, 07:44 AM   #5
Philip
Member
 
Philip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: California
Posts: 1,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ren Ren View Post

This is a type of ordinary peasant knives that were worn every day on the belt. It is difficult to say when they appeared, but they were widespread in the north and northeast of China until the 1960s. .
It is likely that folding knives such as this type were a Western concept, perhaps first brought to China by the Portuguese who were the first Europeans to reach China in significant numbers as early as the Ming Dynasty.
Philip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th August 2024, 05:55 PM   #6
HughChen
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2024
Location: China
Posts: 152
Default

Hello,Drabant

I think they might be hoof knives used for trimming the hooves of horses, donkeys, and mules, essentially acting as nail clippers. The hooves of these animals need to be scraped off periodically with sharp knives resembling sickles. From the photos, your knives resemble such hoof knives.
HughChen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.