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Hello,
I have just bought this dagger in an auction on internet the hilt shape look like a kindjal hilt ( seems made of horn ) the curved blade looks like a beibut dagger blade or a khanjar . The scabbard ending mount has an ''ottoman/greek'' style ( made of brass ? ) so I make a ''mix'' between these informations and opt for a caucasian origin. What do you think ? All comments are welcomed. I'll post better pictures when I'll receive it. Kind regards Franco |
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I just found this dagger picture on internet,
said to be a kurdish dagger, the scabbard is really similar, the hilt ...hum... |
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Maybe a japanese hirschfanger ?...
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Kurdish khanjar from Turkey very much influenced by Caucasian as you wrote
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Hello and thank you Kubur,
I'll post interesting picture ( I hope !) when i'll receive it. Kind regards |
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Kindjals with curved blade are called Bebut in Russia, There was even a military variant of such a weapon with Bebut as its official name.
I have no idea what is the meaning of this name. Anybody knows? |
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Hello everybody,
I don't know too what bebut-beibut means ( I thought just maybe dagger or knife but it isn't...) Just received the dagger, really nice !! turkish-kurdish khanjar as Kubur said, I cleaned the scabbard, nice surprise, it's silver mounted. The blade is interesting and a bit strange: it's an heavy blade and on one side only, the fuller seems to have been ''blued''. |
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For the scabbard,
does anybody know the meaning of the fittings shape ? Kind regards ! |
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I cleaned the blade too...
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I used first sandpaper 400 then 600, 1000 and finish with 1500.
Still remains scratches/stripes... A damas blade ? Or just a rough old sharpening ? I hesitate to etch the blade gently ( with lemon/ vinegar ?... ) Advices welcomed !! |
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In my experience many of these Kurdish Jambiyas have a watered blade. I would give it a go, you can always polish it out if you're not happy. A lot of etchants seem to leave a brown/yellow tinge. I have found that if, after stabilising, black boot polish is smeared on the blade and then vigorously polished off it leaves a pleasant dark hue to the blade.
Best wishes Richard |
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Hi Francantolin,
To me, it does not look Caucasian nor Turkish. In my view this is either Syrian Kurdish or from Iraq, very close to Syria. I say this because of the shape of the hilt and the blade with one central fuller. So, the dagger looks Syrian or thereabout, but the sheath is 100% Iraqi. This is my personal opinion and I have no literature to back it. |
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You can get it on Amazon, but all companies I tried to contact were ready to ship it only to a commercial address. A friend of mine, who is a VP of a metalworking company, buys it for me. If you have connections with chemistry lab, metal working company, professional blademaker etc, you are in luck. No yucky brown stuff of ferric chloride! |
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Thank you all !!
I'll try to find Nital 2%, don't seems easy to find. I work in an highschool; I will ask my colleague teaching physical if they have nitric acid in the laboratory and mix it with ethanol...( sure glasses, gloves and laboratory fume hood). We'll see ... |
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Hello,
I found concentrated chlorydric acid ( 20%) but no nitric acid, I read it attacks strongly iron, Do you think it can be used too ? ( 1-2 % ?) ![]() |
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