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5th January 2014, 07:44 PM
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Need arabic translation for Nincha sword
Hi Everybody,
Who could translate this Arabic inscription from a Nimcha This sword was already posted here : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15149 Best Regards Cerjak |
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6th January 2014, 01:47 AM
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The Arabic inscription reads as follows: In the first line: " عمل محمد بن عبدالله" Translation: "Made (or manufactured) by Muhammad Ibn Abdullah" In the second line: "السعيد ام" Translation: "al-Sa'eed Am..." It seems that you need to photograph the inscription via a different angle so that we could be able of reading the rest of the second line. Remember that Arabic is read from right to left. Thanks a lot in advance, Sir! -Ahmed Helal Hussein- |
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6th January 2014, 02:20 AM
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"..الله عليه..." Translation: "....ALLAH him..." (like May ALLAH reward him...) |
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6th January 2014, 06:32 PM
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Salaams Ahmed,
Thank you very much for this translation. So one better picture I hope it will be ok for you. Best regards Jean-Luc |
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7th January 2014, 08:54 AM
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Thank you very much for sending me a clearer photo with clearer inscriptions. The first line reads: "عمل محمد بن عبد الله" Translation: "Manufactured by Muhammad Son of Abdullah" The second line reads: "الله عليه آمين" Translation: "ALLAH's...upon him, Amen!" (Please note that the inscription on the far right of the second line is erased) Which could mean: "ALLAH's mercy be upon him, Amen!" or "ALLAH's blessings be upon him, Amen!" or something like that. Please note that saying about someone "ALLAH's mercy be upon him" doesn't necessarily mean that this person has died...he could be still alive and pray this for himself. Hope this helps! Best regards, Ahmed Helal Hussein |
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7th January 2014, 04:09 PM
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Salaams Amhed ,
Of course it Will help ! Again Many thanks for the translation. Regards from France Cerjak |
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7th January 2014, 06:10 PM
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You're welcome, Sir! Thank you very much for your kind and encouraging words! As ever, Ahmed Helal Hussein |
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21st January 2014, 04:05 PM
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 Salaams All~Note to Library; The single hilt is Berber whilst along side it I place for ease of referral the amazing Charles Butin work on the various Nimcha styles. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. 
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26th January 2014, 04:55 PM
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Espada
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Salaams All, Note to Library ~ I have it on good authority that the hilt is infact a 'Nimcha' with striated shellguard, actually a South American Espada, identified primarily to Brazil and those blades are often British. The motif seems likely connected to Spanish colonies in Morocco (much like the 'Berber' sabres) and these trade connections on the ever active 'Spanish Main' were primary until the Spanish American War. Note the hand nock at the top of the grip so typical of 'Nimcha' as well as traced to Venetian and Arab versions from late 15thC onward; along with diffusion to Kastane as well as Nimcha etc. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
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26th September 2016, 05:43 PM
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26th September 2016, 05:45 PM
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Ignoring 8 and 9 but looking at the project weapon I note the absence of a turtle figure on the pommel top...and the 90 degree turn rather than a more pronounced turn in the pommel plus the bud finials and a right angle elbow turn in the knuckle guard. No D guard. This is North African either Moroccan or Algerian.
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