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Anybody interested in discussing this old postcard that was for auction a while ago?
(P.S. it had been sold already, and it isn't mine...) The right sword looks like a kampilan to me, and the two people that are depicted are not looking like moro's.... Kind Regards, Maurice |
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I vote for the north part of Celebes, the spear looks like that. combined with the kampilan it should be possible. regards, Arjan OOh and about old postcards,..... here another one |
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Thank you for your input! I am pretty sure you hit the nail right on the head... P.S. It looks like your old postcard had been removed??? I have added it in my "head" map on my computer when it was still there... ![]() Kind Regards, Maurice |
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Good post Maurice and good thoughts too, I too saw this when searching for another Moro Spear...yes I am sure we all are :-)).
I have an interest in old post cards depicting people with weaponry though I do refuse to pay the high prices many are asking for them. These cards are, even if staged for the photographer, a great insight in to times past and usually offer a good representation of how things once were and in turn helps our study and understanding of the things we collect. Gav |
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Prices of old postcards can rise very high, but this one didn't get out for that high. I like old images and old postcards, indeed for the reason you mention. And this one puzzled me a bit, but after Arjan's comment all pieces of the puzzle fall in place... Kind Regards, Maurice |
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Interesting postcard Maurice.
I have a spear exactly as the one in the picture. A fellow collector already indicated years ago that this spear is from Celebes / Sulawesi. But nice to see this confirmed by this picture and Arjans comments. Best regards, Willem Last edited by asomotif; 12th November 2010 at 12:35 PM. |
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no actually i removed it myself because I though it could disturb the discusion of the main subject. but now you asked for it,,, here it is again... |
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Our blades don't come with a photobook of their 'exploits'. Last edited by Atlantia; 12th November 2010 at 11:48 PM. |
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Because I deepen a bit in dayak culture, I probably look at different eyes to this image as you do. Maybe it is better to wait with your lunch after looking at the vikingsword forum? ![]() Regards, Maurice |
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No, you are absolutely right Maurice. I'm not trying to make an issue out of this Maurice. I would hate to offend you in any way. The image was a bit 'sudden' for me though. I found it a little shocking after the rather nice staged first image. I'm aware some people collect head-hunter stuff. But even a discussion of Igorot axes is a world away from pictures of severed heads. IMHO we should link to pictures of a graphic nature rather than put them in threads. Sorry if that seems sensitive, I see dead people every day at work, that's enough. Peace my friend. Gene |
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I am not thinking you are making an issue out of it, and I am neither making an issue out of it and am sorry if it seemed like I do in my former posting. I think I expressed it wrong what I meant. I can understand the image can fall hard on an empty stomach to people. But I have read a lot of dayaks and their customs, and therefore also of headhunting. And I think I have seen a lot of skulls on images in books, museums and even also in private collections, that I might became immune of these kind of images, and think they are interesting and fascinating, not because of the severed heads, but because of the reflection of headhunting and what it was all about. I have seen images much worse and also made in present days, where people where killed because of aggression or evil persons, and not because the "adat" tells them to do so.. Regards, Maurice |
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Your points are well made maurice. Thank you for explaining them. You have a not offended me my friend, I am glad I have not offended you. Best Gene |
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It takes a lot more to get me offended, and I am happy you aren't also. Here another image, to keep up the good spirit, which I am sure you like a lot more. ![]() It is a very old image, made around 1870, and also from Celebes. It is a warrior of Manado (watch the spear).... Kind Regards, Maurice Last edited by Maurice; 13th November 2010 at 09:57 AM. |
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Do you mind posting a picture in this thread? Kai also has one in his collection (well, he did a few years ago and I don't know if he still has it). Kind Regards, Maurice |
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what is the original decription of the image? Mandao means that it could be a Minahassan warrior. his hat shows also like that. not that he is likely not used how to handle the shield course he held it upsidedown, so I think it can also be a studio photo. regards, Arjan |
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Thats a fantastic picture! What a grand gentleman he is. |
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The original description is as following: "De eerste voorvechter van Manado." It is an image of Woodbury and Page, ca. 1870. I think you are right about the studio photo, because the man is standing in front of a white cloth... According to wikipedia "Manado", in colonial period called "Menado", is the capital city of "Sulawesi Utara (northern province), on Sulawesi island. Kind Regards, Maurice |
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COOL LOOKING SPEAR IT REMINDS ME MOST OF THE SPEARS WITH HAIR THE NAGA USE. THE USE OF HAIR ON KAMPILIANS AND QUITE A FEW SWORDS FROM THE REGION COME TO MIND TOO. HERE ARE A FEW OLD PICTURES FROM CELEBES, CERAM, TORAJA, AND PERHAPS BORNEO. AND A PICTURE OF A DAYAK ORANG ULU CEREMONIAL HAT PERHAPS SIMULAR TO SOME IN SOME PICTURES WITHOUT ANY FEATHERS ? ENJOY
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I found quite a lot of Sulawesi lances on the RMV website.
Here are some examples that are similar to the one on the postcard. |
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