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HI EVERYBODY!!
IN THE MUSEUM VICTOR BALAGUER (SPAIN) I FOUND SEVERAL WEAPONS FROM PHILLIPINES. MY SURPRISE WAS I SAW A FLISSA IN A GROUP OF DAGGERS FROM PI!!, IS THIS POSSIBLE? ANOTHERS TIMES I HAVE SEEN MOROCCO DAGGERS LIKE THE PICTURE IN BOARDS WITH PHILLIPINE WEAPONS. THANKS THE TRIRD PICTURE IS FROM THE SPANISH ARMY MUSEUM IN MADRID. THANKS TO ENGAR BY THE PICTURE. |
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SORRY, I FORGET THE PICTURES!!
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Hi Carlos
I just think the curator or whoever made a mistake by grouping them together. Sometimes even the museum folk screw up! ![]() Lew |
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Dont forget that Spain and Morrocco are seperated only by a mile or two of water.Not only that ,but Spain has had a lot of Moorish immigrants ,I believe they were driven out at one point but the connection is there.
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Spain was ruled by the Arab Umayyad caliphate in Cordoba, before the state fragmented into smaller sultanates, only to be swallowed by the nascent powers of a united Castile and Leon. The last of the Arab rulers of Seville, Abu Abdillah (Boabdil) was driven to the Alpujjaras and later into exile during the time of Ferdinand and Isabella. And of course, westerners refer to the Arabs from the Maghreb as Moors. So it's not with some irony that when they landed in the PI, they found people sharing Boabdil's faith, hence the term Moro (correct me if I'm wrong, that's how I understood it).
So I think while proper display rules might not allow weapons from two distinct cultures be displayed or attributed to the same category, the poor curator probably mixed up one Moro with another ![]() |
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MORO,MORROCO they look and sound similar maybe the curator had one too many glasses of wine that day
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"Moro" etymology - on the money!
![]() Carlos - like the early Moro gunong in the middle. |
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Well, close enough.
Boabdil, the last Muslim ruler in an Iberian Peninsula territory, was the king of Granada, not Sevilla, but it's OK... ![]() Regarding the Flyssa there, I would attribute it just to a curator's mistake. Not strange, in fact. Let's face it, we around here are quite familiar with the major types of ethnographic weapons, but fact is that there's not that much information about this kind of weaponry around, and if you're given a lot with tens or even hundreds of weapons that have to be classified in a probably relatively short time, with almost no budget, and probably little knowledge of the subject altogether, these things are bound to happen, no matter the curator's good will. Again, the internal mechanisms of the museums are all too human, at the end, some of us know this well... ![]() |
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Thanks for the correction Marc, should have remembered that Abu Abdillah was Sultan of Qarnatah.
![]() The Moors was a blanket term applied by writers of old to describe Arabs in general, just like Afranji or Feringgi (which became Farang in Thai I think) from Franks was used to denote westerners in the eastern part of the world. |
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