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It is no doubt that you are the most knowledgeable on this very interesting person in Surakartan keris making. Once the karaton Surakarta's empu. Unfortunately, I only have opportunity to learn keris knowledge from the lesser keris makers, the younger generation keris makers as Pak Subandi Supaningrat, Pak Sukamdi, Yanto or Yantono. Or long time collectors such as Mr Haryono Guritno, the late Mr Bambang Harsrinuksmo and couple of Yogyakartan keris people such as (maranggi) Pak Wusanto, the late maranggi Pak Widyasudarma, and some other keraton knowledgable source... On Pak Parman, not enough information has written on this interesting empu from Karaton Surakarta. Some of written information we can find in these two books, for instance. Books on Go Tik Swan Hardjonagoro (autobiography) titled "Jawa Sejati" (true javanese) and also "Menjadi Jawa" (becoming a javanese) which were published just couple moments before Hardjonagoro passed away recently. But not much info, only about two or three pages from total more than 400 pages each.. I think, it would enrich us -- keris lovers -- if you, Alan, would share to us your "uncovered" knowledge on this interestin empu of Karaton Surakarta. For instance, what is the specific characteristic of Pak Parman's keris? And so on. GANJAWULUNG |
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I thank you for your high praise Pak Ganja, and I am envious of your good fortune in having been able to access the great knowledge of these notable people whom you list as your instructors.
My principal teacher was undoubtedly Pak Parman, but I have counted Pak Pauzan as a good friend for many years, and I have gained a not inconsiderable amount of knowledge from him also. My biggest handicap in learning anything at all about keris from Pak Parman was my own stupidity:- he gave me as much of his knowledge as I was able to absorb, but in reality, that only scratched the surface of what he had to give. I've read "Jawa Sejati", but in truth I forget exactly what was written there about Pak Parman, and perhaps I may not wish to remember. I can understand very well the benefits that could flow from some sort of primer on Pak Parman's work, and I will not dismiss this suggestion out of hand. However, in considering this idea, I must also consider the possibility that Pak Parman himself may not have endorsed such an idea. As I have noted, he never charged for his work. He would not accept an order, and he would never sell his work. He was totally and absolutely opposed to the commercialisation of his work. There can be no doubt that where a keris can be identified as Pak Parman's work, the value of that keris will multiply manyfold. Would he have approved of this? I rather doubt it. Further, would he approve of me providing a commentary and description of his work? I doubt it. I personally would not approve such commentary from any of my own pupils. The pupil is not fit to comment upon the work of his own teacher. |
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How we wish if we could have the opportunity to have your consent viewing Empu Suparman's keris that was presented through your wife. Rgrds, Mykeris.
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Dear Alan,
Beautiful pamor. Is it "sekar lampes" or "kenanga ginubah" pamor? And why did Pak Parman choose "wuwung" type of ganja (if I'm not mistaken), and not "mbathok mengkurep"? Thanks alot, GANJAWULUNG |
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Thank you for sharing, Alan. Excellent!
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Pak Ganja, I thank you for your interest in the photos I have posted, but as these photographs are of my teacher's work, I cannot comment upon this work in any way at all, and I would very much appreciate it if you, yourself refrained from such comment.
This keris has not been posted here as material for discussion by you, or by anybody else. I posted it in response to a politely expressed wish, and I consider commentary and discussion of this keris to be less than than good manners. Thus, I most humbly request you to look at the photographs if you wish, but to keep your comments and questions to yourself. I am certain that you will respect my wishes in this matter. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 1st July 2009 at 01:09 AM. |
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Dear Alan,
I apologize for my rude manner. I hope you understand, that it was just a matter of curiosity -- just spontaneous act but not proper. We must thank you, that you are willing to share with us the authentic work of Pak Parman, your teacher. Once again, I apologize... GANJAWULUNG |
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Your apology is unnecessary Pak Ganja, but nontheless, greatly appreciated.
We sometimes jump into action without reflecting upon the result of that action. I have often been guilty of this, as I believe have we all. I understand completely that you intended no disrespect, and that your questions were simply the result of impulsive curiosity. |
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It is understood and clear. Thanks again, Alan. Your kindness is highly appreciated.
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I so appreciate your posting both the article and the pictures. I have to say that I am in awe. To thank you is really not enough.
My Guru Ustad Ali Akbar Khan, considered the greatest Hindustani musician of the twentieth century, passed away two weeks ago, after teaching more than forty years in the USA. His father, Ustad Allauddin Khan, was his guru as well as being the guru of Ravi Shankar, Nikhil Bannerjee, and many other great musicians. I was at his bedside, along with a bunch of my guru-bhai's, when he passed away. He had over ten thousand students; some came for a semester, some, like me, stayed for twelve years. The link between guru and disciple is a wonderful, mystical, rewarding saga. It continues, sometimes surprisingly, after the guru leaves the body. I've received guidance in dreams that has radically changed my art. I really appreciate the all-too-short article, and would love to hear more on your apprenticeship, if it would be suitable. Frankly, just your presence on this site, along with so many other Guni's (Gun- knowledge) is a wonderful resource. |
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