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Salaams kahnjar1~ So that you can understand the Iconization process throughout history you may like to read the balanced and well presented thread at Kattara for comments. In any restoration project whatever is done should be easily reversible. Infact when I rehilt a blade I always keep the original and often frame that as a small presentation for the new owner... and certificate with as accurate a history as I can. Iconization of the old omani battle sword goes on today as a natural extension of the 19th C process and that will be a family sword carried at state occasions pageants and the like in honour of our history... Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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Salaams Iain ~ I agree however Iconization is an ongoing process since this is living history through the Funoon...The tradition. It is entirely acceptable in this country to add a royal hilt to an old battle sword . In our case we either silver adorn the old hilt or in the case of a rehilt retain the remnants intact of the old hilt and present that framed alongside the iconized item with a certificate and photos. Taking off the old hilt takes 5 minutes as it is only secured with two rivvets and no damage occurs... Im afraid this line of discussion was kicked off with apparent mischief as the only motivator and I tire of such rediculous diversions by others. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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Salaams Iain ~ I completely understand and thank you for your posts which are always constructive and well placed. This is only one of a few hilts I have done including a nice Indian dagger ... However I do a lot of Khanjar hilts that have fallen apart (and anyway they are interchangeable)and we make new Khanjars for the high end UAE market that demands brand new superb quality items. I have a few swords that I wouldnt touch ... they just grow old gracefully and without hilts... so we have a similar outlook. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi |
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I just like items as they are IF they are complete, I see no point in changing the hilt of a perfectly authentic old battle sword but thanks for clarifying that it wont be invasive. Its interesting that Omani's would iconise those old blades yet do not use them as the heraldic symbol for the Sultanate. The Omani straight saif and the Kattarah were always the symbols used on Omani tv and I remember how much they play the Raz'ha. Any reason why the old battle saif was kept out of the heraldic symbol? On the topic I made about the Arabian sword dances, the video that shows King Abdullah dancing; it seems that he is wearing a golden Omani khanjar with the royal hilt! |
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Salaams ariel ~ Last point first ... You are right about the old omani battle sword ... its a Quilloned killer ! ... They call all straight swords here Sayf... Thus the important detail of passing that name and the shield on in what looks like the mid 19thC. Interesting that you call it "locally made" however as that isnt quite proven yet and its nickname is Sayf Yamaani it could be a Hadramaut job though I suspect Nizwa . The Omani Dancing flexible long sword defies logic... I agree. I am about to wax lyrical upon the subject on Kattara for comments... please join the discussion there if you can. First paragraph which I missed initially... Again I think you refer to Sayfs; straight blades and in this case apparently mounted on Omani long hilts. In the Omani jargon; If they dont bend through 90 degrees from the tip they aren't Omani dancing swords. They may have been rehilted in Muscat after 1970 and sold to a visitor... or are Red Sea blades of some sort. There are stiff Saudia, Yemeni and Ethiopian blades(European in the case of the latter) that fit the description and as an interesting thought some resemble Schiavona blades. I see a lot in Muscat souk and often they have fake running woolf marks etc. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 24th March 2012 at 06:06 PM. |
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Imagine you are in Zanzibar 150 years ago and someone hands you a blade... a European blade ... and you want it mounted on a Zanzibari hilt... as a Zanzibari Nimcha...Not a problem. The same today with Old Omani Battle Swords if I want to Iconize the sword so it looks the business at eids, weddings or VIP meetings; The blade goes to workshops and the hilt is either silver wrapped and adorned or removed and a Royal Hilt is placed retaining the original as stated etc... Just iconizing a blade in the handed down living historical process that is Omani Tradition. As I said I'm not selling it.. so its an Heirloom. Thankyou for your post .. ![]() Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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No such thing as a rare original royal hilt unless you are refering to the one in the museum ~ Like the Royal Hilted Khanjars there is nothing particularly rare about a Royal Hilt... anyone can wear one.. Its traditional, accepted and ongoing. I expect people will still be Iconizing Khanjars and hilts of swords for hundreds of years here.. That is the Omani way... "The tradition" is alive and well. If you can grasp that perhaps you will be closer to understanding Oman. If a new piece is added as a replacement on one of my items for example a Khanjar or Sword which has no hilt or the scabbard dissappeared 50 years ago or the silver is incomplete; We restore to as close to perfection as we can. As you know Khanjars are for ever being altered and changed for better blades etc in an upgrading process that goes back centuries.. The same with swords whose hilts often fall apart or the silver becomes battered damaged or lost... see Kattara for comments . I have just posted a fantastic dancing sword whose scabbard is in need of redoing... New silver toe and furniture needed. In the case of an heirloom piece or a gift or an item for a client the work is recorded, photographed and certificated as it is restored so that there is always a historical account of what we did... and of course it must always be sympathetically carried out and reversible. Thats what we do. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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My point all along has been that a "major rebuilt" or creation of a potentially RARE and EXPENSIVE item,(and I am not talking restoration here), should be marked in some way to state that it is NOT ORIGINAL. ![]() |
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![]() You may have failed to understand the nature of artefacts that are in full use here every day like Khanjars and used scores of times per annum in the case of Pageantry Swords... and Iconized Weapons. They or parts of them wear out or get damaged...Perhaps if you read a few books on the subject it will enhance your knowledge. ![]() I am talking about restoration and Iconization which is the traditional, accepted, historical, respected, endorsement of a weapon by upgrading it to VIP Status... This is a living, breathing, historical function not a dead art... We do Iconization of swords in Oman today... and will do for many years. The job is carefully done so as not to change the original format and so that it may, if required, be returned to status later with certification and photos. You appear to misunderstand the basic facts. (Again); Not Replica. ![]() Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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