Very nice Khanjarli For Comment

Lew · 10th November 2009, 04:32 AM

Ok here is a thought the blades on these khanjarli seem to resemble a bull's horns to me so could there be link here?

Lew · 11th November 2009, 02:04 AM

Guys no thoughts on this question? Since cows/bulls are sacred in India it would make some sense to me that this could be a representation of their horns.

Lew

Gavin Nugent · 11th November 2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Guys no thoughts on this question? Since cows/bulls are sacred in India it would make some sense to me that this could be a representation of their horns.

Lew

Interesting thought Lew, the bull pictured, is it a native breed to India?

Gav

Lew · 11th November 2009, 12:33 PM

Not sure Gav when I googled Indian bull this pic showed up but I think the pic was taken here in the states. Here are a few more pics the top one is Shiva riding a top of one also notice the center photo of the side view of the bulls head it's ear has a similar shape to the ear of the dagger hilt. Here is some more research tidbits.

Shiva's guardian is Nandi (the white bull), whose statue can often be seen watching over the main shrine. The bull is said to embody sexual energy, fertility. Riding on its back, Shiva is in control of these impulses.

He often holds a trident, which represents the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu. It is also said to represent the threefold qualities of nature: creation, preservation and destruction, although preservation is usually attributed to Vishnu.

roshan · 24th November 2009, 01:21 AM

Most of the cows pictured above are native Indian breeds (I'm not sure about the one in Louieblades' post, it doesn't have the hump typical of Zebu cattle). There are basically two subspecies of cattle, the taurine (Bos primigenius taurus) originating from Europe and the zebu (Bos primigenius indicus) originating in India.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebu

Lew · 24th November 2009, 03:40 AM

Roshan

The first bull is not Indian it was the shape of the horns I was trying to bring across. The others are all Brama bulls.

Gavin Nugent · 25th November 2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Guys no thoughts on this question? Since cows/bulls are sacred in India it would make some sense to me that this could be a representation of their horns.

Lew

Nice image grouping there Lew, I'd say this makes perfect sense looking at the extra images of native bulls.
Whilst my knowledge on these knives are limited I wonder if anyone can point out any direct historical association with these knives and worship of the bulls?
I'll have a look through my Asiatic mythos references to see what I can find, perhaps mention of ceremony or something along those lines.

Gav

KuKulzA28 · 25th November 2009, 06:47 AM

I have heard bichwa were originally made from horns. Their blade-shape is the same as the khanjarli's. Any connection?

Jens Nordlunde · 17th April 2019, 04:42 PM

Now and again it pays to have a look back in time, as I did to day.
The khanjarli with the straight blade shown by Kurt in post 10 is unique.
Not so long ago I got one as well. South Indian 17th century - but notice the two birds heads on the pommel, thiss I have never seen before.

Jens Nordlunde · 22nd July 2019, 04:11 PM

The khanjarli shown in post 23 has a strange redish colour. I have been told by Oliver Pinchot that the former owner Rochard R. Wagner used to wrap his weapons in some armoury plastic meant for preservation, and this gave the ivory this strange colouring.

10th November 2009, 04:32 AM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Ok here is a thought the blades on these khanjarli seem to resemble a bull's horns to me so could there be link here? Attached Images

11th November 2009, 12:33 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Not sure Gav when I googled Indian bull this pic showed up but I think the pic was taken here in the states. Here are a few more pics the top one is Shiva riding a top of one also notice the center photo of the side view of the bulls head it's ear has a similar shape to the ear of the dagger hilt. Here is some more research tidbits. Shiva's guardian is Nandi (the white bull), whose statue can often be seen watching over the main shrine. The bull is said to embody sexual energy, fertility. Riding on its back, Shiva is in control of these impulses. He often holds a trident, which represents the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu. It is also said to represent the threefold qualities of nature: creation, preservation and destruction, although preservation is usually attributed to Vishnu. Attached Images Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 11th November 2009 at 01:30 PM.

17th April 2019, 04:42 PM	#9
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Now and again it pays to have a look back in time, as I did to day. The khanjarli with the straight blade shown by Kurt in post 10 is unique. Not so long ago I got one as well. South Indian 17th century - but notice the two birds heads on the pommel, thiss I have never seen before. Attached Images

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11th November 2009, 02:04 AM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Guys no thoughts on this question? Since cows/bulls are sacred in India it would make some sense to me that this could be a representation of their horns. Lew

24th November 2009, 01:21 AM	#5
roshan Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 20	Most of the cows pictured above are native Indian breeds (I'm not sure about the one in Louieblades' post, it doesn't have the hump typical of Zebu cattle). There are basically two subspecies of cattle, the taurine (Bos primigenius taurus) originating from Europe and the zebu (Bos primigenius indicus) originating in India..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebu

24th November 2009, 03:40 AM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Roshan The first bull is not Indian it was the shape of the horns I was trying to bring across. The others are all Brama bulls.

25th November 2009, 06:47 AM	#8
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	I have heard bichwa were originally made from horns. Their blade-shape is the same as the khanjarli's. Any connection?

22nd July 2019, 04:11 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	The khanjarli shown in post 23 has a strange redish colour. I have been told by Oliver Pinchot that the former owner Rochard R. Wagner used to wrap his weapons in some armoury plastic meant for preservation, and this gave the ivory this strange colouring.